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bobtoo 12-13-2011 11:11 AM

Enamel?
 
I want to paint the inside of my front doors that my dog scratches. The SW guy told me I needed enamel. He has a waterbase enamel that he says will work. I never heard of a water enamel. will this work?

Gymschu 12-13-2011 11:57 AM

There's no paint that can withstand scratches from a pet. The best success I have had is with OIL-based high gloss paint, which, unfortunately is not available in many areas of the country. A water-based all surface enamel would be fine, just don't expect the paint to work miracles, it's gonna show scratches no matter what, in my opinion.

Brushjockey 12-13-2011 12:43 PM

One solution i have used is to get a piece of plexiglass cut to fit areas that usually get scratched- like below the handle.
Dogs are hard on paint.
I would do the waterborne, and protect it like this.

DannyT 12-13-2011 01:48 PM

if the dogs are small a stainless or brass kickplate might help.

chrisn 12-14-2011 04:16 AM

Train the dog to not scratch the door, done.:yes:

Faron79 12-15-2011 12:58 PM

BTW-

(and this may surprise some out there....)

"Enamel" >>> DOESN'T <<< mean squat!
It's ONLY a marketing term from waaaayy back...
It is NOT a separate "ingredient".
It's NOT a type of Latex or Oil.

The word was adopted in painting long ago, to describe Oil paints..."Our paints have a nice hard finish, like the 'Enamel' on your teeth"!!
When Latexes came out, the same marketing was used for those...

The term stuck, and has been confusing people ever since!

Faron

ric knows paint 12-15-2011 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faron79 (Post 794645)
BTW-

(and this may surprise some out there....)

"Enamel" does mean squat!
It's ONLY a marketing term from waaaayy back...
It is NOT a separate "ingredient".
It's NOT a type of Latex or Oil.

The word was adopted in painting long ago, to describe Oil paints..."Our paints have a nice hard finish, like the 'Enamel' on your teeth"!!
When Latexes came out, the same marketing was used for those...

The term stuck, and has been confusing people ever since!

Faron


wow...I don't think I've ever seen so much anger over a "marketing" term. However, it's not just a marketing term. You're right, it's not a separate ingredient, but it actually is a type of latex or oil...There are latex enamels, oil/alkyd enamels, epoxy enamels, urethane enamels etc. - and they are different than wall paints and house paints. Also, sheen, or lack of sheen, doesn't make, or not make, a product an enamel. Enamel is an industry term and is defined by it's hardness and impermeability, measured by the industry standard pencil test...the term really doesn't need to confuse anyone.

BTW, in regards to the thread, I agree with everyone else here. While a lot more info would help to make a better recommendation, a conventional "enamel" probably isn't gonna work for this gentleman. Plexiglass or a kick-plate would be more effective and be a lot less work.

jsheridan 12-15-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric knows paint (Post 794822)
wow...I don't think I've ever seen so much anger over a "marketing" term. However, it's not just a marketing term. You're right, it's not a separate ingredient, but it actually is a type of latex or oil...There are latex enamels, oil/alkyd enamels, epoxy enamels, urethane enamels etc. - and they are different than wall paints and house paints. Also, sheen, or lack of sheen, doesn't make, or not make, a product an enamel. Enamel is an industry term and is defined by it's hardness and impermeability, measured by the industry standard pencil test...the term really doesn't need to confuse anyone.

BTW, in regards to the thread, I agree with everyone else here. While a lot more info would help to make a better recommendation, a conventional "enamel" probably isn't gonna work for this gentleman. Plexiglass or a kick-plate would be more effective and be a lot less work.

Okay Ric, what's the industry standard pencil test, I give.

chrisn 12-15-2011 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsheridan (Post 794824)
Okay Ric, what's the industry standard pencil test, I give.


inquiring minds want to know

also you said".the term ( enamal) really doesn't need to confuse anyone." It certainly does not NEED to, but it does none the less

ric knows paint 12-15-2011 05:30 PM

Sorry...check the Tech Data Sheet of products called "enamel" that you may use. The film will be "graded" on the highest level of pencil lead, scribed across the cured film, before the film was broken (such as "Passes 2H hardness).

ric knows paint 12-15-2011 05:51 PM

Ok, in an attempt to de-confuse this issue, not all oil/alkyd products are "enamel"...not all latex sheened (gloss, semi, satin) products are "enamel"...but there are latex flat enamels and there used to be oil/alkyd flat enamels.

The hardness of an enamel indicates a lack of flexibility - and obviously there are surfaces and environments that require a flexible coating. Therefore, an enamel would be best recommended on rigid surfaces, while non-enamel products would be better on surfaces known to expand and contract.

Faron79 12-16-2011 01:28 AM

Oooooppps!

Bit of clarification maybe needed in my earlier post!

Wasn't any anger in my post! Just using caps for emphasis...
Just read it in an easygoing, discussion-only tone.
Also...I edited that post-
Meant to use "Doesn't" mean squat.

Faron

Faron79 12-16-2011 01:41 AM

Actually Ric-

Even the data-sheets use that meaningless term too loosely!

I've asked a few paint-Co. chemists the same question...
Each one had kind of a knowing smile, chuckled a bit, and said the same as I did in my earlier post.

Many of them say, in summation, that "Technically"...ALL paints form a hard surface! Obviously, some are "harder" than others. That doesn't make them "Enamels", or "Non-Enamels" though.

....it makes them "Paint"!

It's just unfortunate the level of confusion, even in the paint industry, that the term creates!

Faron

chrisn 12-16-2011 05:10 AM

If I am still confused, think what an average HO must be going through.:laughing:

jsheridan 12-16-2011 05:51 AM

I'm not confused. Enamel to me has always been a paint to put on trim that is harder and more durable than that which is put on wall, in general. There are other things, like washability, etc. While I know of flat enamels, and have used them quite extensively at times, I do use sheen as an indication of enamel. So if I apply a satin on the walls and semi on the trim, I'm using two enamels of different durabilities. It's simple. For the level of work I do, and the majority of my customers, that works. Now, if I was at Ric or MustangMike's level of needed knowledge, I'd be confused as hell. There are somethings I need to keep simple. It's a nice to know need to know thing. Though I think I may learn the pencil test to wow a customer someday, after Santa brings my sling psychrometer for Christmas. :laughing:
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