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Old 12-03-2011, 09:43 PM   #31
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Has anyone tried ProClassic Interior Waterbased Acrylic-Alkyd yet? Does it flow on like oil?
Hugh? There is nothing with acrylics and alkyds suspended in the same carrier yet. Acrylics have water as solvents and alkyds work in solvents like mineral spirits. Oil and water do not mix.

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Old 12-03-2011, 11:54 PM   #32
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Actually there are lots of them- its the latest wave.
waterborne Alkyds- those two mentioned, Z's Smart Prime is, Zars wonderful clear poly Max is- many more.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:00 AM   #33
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Most customers out there just can't seem to realize that-

"Cheap paint just COSTS you money..."

* There are Wiiiiiiide variances in quality of paint ingredients.
* Titanium-Dioxides, and their grind-qualities vary by price...A LOT.
* Other types of Acrylic resins vary by price....A LOT.
* Low-level ingredients like defoamers, flow-modifiers, and other additives....usually aren't present in cheap paints. IF they are used....guess what....el-cheapo levels. These additives vary EVEN MORE in price/quality.
* I've gotten so spoiled by C2 paint, that it's hard to use anything else!
(kinda cool that I can tint it myself too...;-)) !!
* I've been lucky enough to have used some FPE paints. Oh My Lord...THAT is some sweet paint!!!

$45 per Qt. though....

Also-
There's a few GOOD Waterborne-Alkyds out there...
Cabinet-Coat, ACE's Cabinet-Door-Trim paint, FPE's ECO, and the ones mentioned above.
Some of 'em have been out for 5 yrs. or more....

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Old 12-04-2011, 03:36 AM   #34
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Hugh? There is nothing with acrylics and alkyds suspended in the same carrier yet. Acrylics have water as solvents and alkyds work in solvents like mineral spirits. Oil and water do not mix.

Hugh who?
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Old 12-04-2011, 07:49 AM   #36
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:12 AM   #37
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Hugh? There is nothing with acrylics and alkyds suspended in the same carrier yet. Acrylics have water as solvents and alkyds work in solvents like mineral spirits. Oil and water do not mix.
Acrylic-modified-alkyds and alkyd-modified-acrylics have been around for y-e-a-r-s. Driveway sealers are oil emulsified in water. Many of the products mentioned in other posts (e.g. Zar Ultra Max) are not acrylics, but water-borne polyurethane modified alkyds (...and all alkyds are borne in oil), even without the poly modification, WB alkyds are very popular right now but, again, that technology has been around for y-e-a-r-s. There are many solvent acrylics (think industrial and automotive paints)...actually, acrylics are petrochemical by-products and seems they should easily blend with oils.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:03 AM   #38
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When I'm sitting home unempolyed, I look for projects to keep me busy. Last year I helped a widow friend of my wives with some remodeling, that included some painting. I had a problem with the Behr paint when doing the ceilings. You could see the edge of the roller marks and no matter how many coats, at least three, it still showed. I went to the Home Deep and asked the paint "manager" what I could do. He said that "sometimes that's how it dry"s". I posted the problem on here and learned about Floatrol. I went to the local paint store that I use when I work at home, and sheepishly talked to the salesman there. He was very pleasant and recommended I go across the street to the Ace Hardware for the Floatrol. The Ace sold quarts and the paint store only had gallons. All in all, if I had been trying to make money at this, the Behr would have cost me.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:23 PM   #39
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I think the big difference is when hiring a professional labor is more than paint. Anything that saves time, saves money. Usually regardless of price. If paying triple for the paint saves an hour or two, it was cheaper. When your only paying for materials an extra hour doesn't really matter.

What I find humorous is my father in law trying to convince me of the things he saw on commercials. For example he said that kilz is one of the best primers you can buy
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[quote=jimmy21;785765]I think the big difference is when hiring a professional labor is more than paint. Anything that saves time, saves money. Usually regardless of price. If paying triple for the paint saves an hour or two, it was cheaper. When your only paying for materials an extra hour doesn't really matter.

What I find humorous is my father in law trying to convince me of the things he saw on commercials. For example he said that kilz is one of the best primers you can buy[/quote]

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