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Old 01-16-2014, 08:30 PM   #46
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A lot of you guys like cutting in. Unbelievable. It's so bad for me that I'm sure I've bought and thrown away every snake oil cutting device I could get my hands on.

There is one I haven't tried yet though....hmmm....

Anyone actually know of one that works?
No.

Well, sort of. I use a tape dispenser, 3M TA20. The cutting in I really hate is along the baseboard. But roll out tape along the little top edge of the baseboard with my tape dispenser, and it keeps the tape tight right up against the wall. Then 2 coats with a dryish brush and voila - perfect line. Once the tape is on and as I said using a dryish brush, you can go super fast with this technique. Fast like 5 minutes around a whole bedroom per coat. (I need 2 coats even if I'm getting away with 1 on the walls. If I need 2 coats, then I do 3 coats along the baseboard because of the thinner paint film I'm putting on.) I got this tip from Jack Pauhl and it works great.

http://jackpauhl.blogspot.com/2009/12/3m-ta20-hand-masker-video-on-casings.html


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Old 01-16-2014, 08:32 PM   #47
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I suppose I could quick-mask the base trim just to keep stuff from falling on it; what do you guys do?
That's the one place I use tape anyway (see previous post), so I just leave it on to roll, and it covers the baseboard.
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Old 01-16-2014, 08:54 PM   #48
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A lot of you guys like cutting in. Unbelievable. It's so bad for me that I'm sure I've bought and thrown away every snake oil cutting device I could get my hands on.
Funny story about that. My partner tried out a new kid to do some painting on a restoration job. He was referred by a friend. He claimed to be a "Sherwin Williams Certified" professional painter, whatever that is.

Well, the first warning sign was when he proceeded to tape all the light switch cover plates. It got worse when he pulled out one of these.
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I showed him how to cut in with a brush, but I looked again 15 minutes later and he was back to the pad. Before he finished cutting in the room, he picked up a roller and literally started making W's in the middle of a wall. I had to stop him and say we wouldn't need him after lunch.
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Not to mention painting with the brush in the right direction. I cringe when I see this
https://lifewiththeps.wordpress.com/tag/trim/

He gets 6-8" of paint line before he has to refill his brush! And a 6" wide cut-in! Wow!

Well, I guess I can understand why some people hold their brush like that - they saw it on the internet, stated with some authority, I suppose.


I watched this video and have been trying to do it this way. Is this correct?

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bunch of hacks in both videos
and I have nothing good to say about JP either
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I watched this video and have been trying to do it this way. Is this correct?

First of all, his terminology is kind of typical of someone who doesn't pay attention to detail. One of the first things he says is "I'm using a Purdy 4" nap". Now that's obviously ridiculous and something an amateur might say. It's called a roller cover, not a "nap". The nap is the fiber length, not the roller cover length. There never has been and never will be a 4" nap.

Next, I don't like how he's holding his brush, and not exactly how most pros would do it. You want your brush going lengthwise, to get the most amount of paint going in that direction. The technique he shows at 8:10 is more like it. But I don't like that particular Purdy brush because it's too narrow (not the width, but the thickness.) (A lot of people hear that Purdy brushes are good, but the problem is a lot of the Purdy brushes are too thin, and people don't learn good technique from them. To get enough paint on the wall they intuitively turn the brush the wrong way. They are fine brushes but only best for cutting in if you buy the thicker models, which are less common in stores. Most of the Wooster brushes are thicker.

As far as using a 4" roller to begin with for cutting in, it does have some advantages, but you can get closer with your large roller than most people seem to think, so I don't usually bother. One time I will use that technique is when I'm painting a high ceiling, like 16'. It's too difficult to judge how close I can get to the ceiling when I'm standing on the floor, so I will use the 4" roller when I'm up on the ladder cutting in.

He's basically just taking too long to cut in, he'll take 4 hours to paint that room.

This is a fast cut in with brush angled correctly

2 pass method


This guy is using a 4" brush (also explains 2 pass)

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Sorry but that last video (BK painting) I watched it twice and thought it was a good video for someone learning.
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To be more specific about brush thickness, in that B&K video he says he's using a Purdy brush, but he doesn't say which one. The Purdy Dale is very common in stores and it might be that one. It's just too thin at 1/2" to use for cutting in IMO. It doesn't hold enough paint in the well. I would use a brush with a minimum 5/8" thickness (for a 2 1/2" brush, to compare apples to apples). The Purdy Clearcut Glide is at 5/8". I like Wooster brushes, and I think the Alpha Angle Sash is a great brush to start with - also 5/8" thick. Obviously don't get the Thin Angle Sash at 1/2", but even better would be the Semioval Angle Sash at 1" in the center.

The size of the brush well determines how much paint you can load in it (in it, not on it), which determines how long of a cut line you can do. That's why in that earlier link I posted, the guy could only do 6-8" (that plus his brush was too small at 1 1/2 to 2"). The good guys can do up to 3' in one pass. Even if you can only do 18", think of how much time you'll save over the 6" pass. Not only do you have to stop to reload your brush, you also have to take time to adjust your brush to the cut in line again. There is about 50' of ceiling cut in in a typical bedroom, so that's 100 passes of 6". Multiply the time it takes to reload and adjust and it's probably 15 minutes just doing that, not including actually putting paint on the wall. Cut that down to 5 minutes and it's a big help.

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I guess it just shows more than 1 way to do things for instance on Paint talk right now there are painters calling other painters hacks and incompetent for not using the dreaded W to paint walls. I personally hate a thick brush, hard to finesse into tight places and corners like 3 ways. And yes on some of the vids it's not exactly like I would do it. But remember they are mostly for people with little or no experience. And yes it takes longer when you stop and explain EVERYTHING. Yes it's irritating that he was apparently taught the wrong term for nap, but I really don't think that affects his painting. I guess the only thing to say is if you guys can make better videos I would be willing to watch them, just let us know when they are coming out.
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Well that's impressive. Now usually you see someone (like that link I just posted) using a 1 1/2" or 2" brush. That's why it takes them 5 hours to cut in. Most people use a 2 1/2 brush. I sometimes use 2 1/2, but if I really feel like "gettin er done" I use a 3" wall brush. I have not personally had the nerve to go to 4" though
I know you have been around a long time and I'm thinking your pretty good.
Now I'm betting with myself you will be picking up that 4 incher just to give it a whirl.
Let me know what you think after you give it a try, will you? I'd be interested in what you think.
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personally I like a 3 inch angle brush ,any bigger and some times the brush catches on the side of cutting bucket .I think for easy cutting and sharp lines a splash of water in you cutting bucket .forget about paint extenders just a little warter
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I'm using a 2-1/2" Purdy XL Glide, I see it has the 5/8" thickness according to their site. I can still only get it to go 6" wet. Maybe I'm not dipping it far enough in.
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Usually a brush has 2 sides of bristles. You can't see it because they are blended together, but if you cut the brush open there would be a divider in there, and some space between the 2 sides of bristles. I call this area the "well" - not sure of the technical term. You need to get paint in there so you have a supply of paint as you brush. If you're just dipping the tip in, it won't have enough paint. You don't want much paint on the outside of the brush, so you can "scrape" the brush a little on the can, but no so hard that it takes paint out of the bristles and inside. It helps to start by getting your paint brush wet, then shake it out. The wetter bristles will help the paint flow better. You definitely don't want it wet enough to drip though. Dip the brush in fairly deep to soak paint into the well. Even though you are painting with the tip, you are actually drawing paint from deeper inside. Kind of like a magic marker.
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You can see some inside space on this brush
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You can see some inside space on this brush
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