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Old 09-01-2013, 11:12 AM   #16
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jmayspaint seems to understand his wet mil thickness better than most of us, but I can tell you Behr Premium Plus Ultra is spec'ed for coverage as high as 400 sf/gal but as low as 250! So the recommended wet film thickness is 4.0-6.4, and dry film thickness from 1.6 to as high as 2.6! That's awesome. That's 2 full coats of ProMar 200 in one coat. Thicker than Aura at 2.0.

(More evidence we should think in terms of paint film thickness, not number of coats.)

I guess it's easy to claim anything you want, but if it delivers that, no one else can match it (at least they're not claiming it, so that probably means they can't do it.)

Can't say I've applied it that thick, but if I get an opportunity to experiment, I'm going to. My standard paint is SuperPaint, at 1.3 mil thickness, but if I continue to hear good things about Premium Plus Ultra and have more good experiences with it, maybe it will become my standard paint (only problem being it doesn't come in flat as far as I can tell.)
In the 20 years I have been swinging a paintbrush I have only had to measure mil thickness one time. It just really doesn't come up that often. Plus most manufacturers that rate thier paint mil thickness and claim one coat coverage do so with a squeegee on a flat horizontal surface. Out in the field you have bursh marks and the highs and lows of roller textures.

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Plus most manufacturers that rate thier paint mil thickness and claim one coat coverage do so with a squeegee on a flat horizontal surface. Out in the field you have bursh marks and the highs and lows of roller textures.
Very true.

But still, a paint that claims 2 mil thickness is going to cover better than a paint with 1 mil thickness, and has a better chance of covering in 1 coat.
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"I would say Pauhl's review is far more detailed, controlled, and scientific than any of the more or less random comments on this forum."

None of the posters here are paid to do so either.
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Are you saying he's paid by someone like Behr? Or just that he makes money in general off his blog? If it's the former, then I'd like to hear some evidence, because then it's obviously biased. If it's the latter, then sure there's a good reason his reviews are better than ours. But still, they're better than ours.
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I have been very careful on here to try and stay out of the arguments about paint brands. But now i'm pi$#ed
who the he** is Jack Pauhl how much experience does he have? He may be the worlds greatest painter but who knows. How does he get paid and by whom? What makes his word gospel and apparently mine are random? Why is he taken as God's gift to painting when there is 100, 150, or maybe 200 years of experience on here and all we get is grief for our random thoughts? He keeps going back to is cost, guess what cost is not that important to me it's passed on to the customer what matters to me is the final product. That is also true for most of my customers. I have used this frigging paint and it was OK I do not want OK paint I want WOW paint for most of my jobs. I have customers that settle for OK but even for them I use paint I have faith in, not some paint just because somebody on the internet says it's the best paint. There is nothing I hate more than callbacks, that means you didn't do something right. I will never take the chance of callbacks because of a $20 gallon of primer. This ties up my equipment, my time, and makes me look like I didn't know what I was doing. If you want to take that chance be my guest the line forms at the paint counter.
I guess what I'm saying is if you don't mind waiting in line behind grandma and her daughter extolling the virtues of antique white over navajos white and taking answers to your painting questions from someone that was in plumbing 10 minutes before you got there and the time you lose here is not worth any thing then this may be for you. Maybe Jack will do a comparison revue to see how much this adds to the price.
I'm going to quit now, the mod's will probably pull it anyway. But these are just a few of my random thoughts and are therefore rendered meaningless.
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I have been very careful on here to try and stay out of the arguments about paint brands. But now i'm pi$#ed
who the he** is Jack Pauhl how much experience does he have? He may be the worlds greatest painter but who knows. How does he get paid and by whom? What makes his word gospel and apparently mine are random? Why is he taken as God's gift to painting when there is 100, 150, or maybe 200 years of experience on here and all we get is grief for our random thoughts? He keeps going back to is cost, guess what cost is not that important to me it's passed on to the customer what matters to me is the final product. That is also true for most of my customers. I have used this frigging paint and it was OK I do not want OK paint I want WOW paint for most of my jobs. I have customers that settle for OK but even for them I use paint I have faith in, not some paint just because somebody on the internet says it's the best paint. There is nothing I hate more than callbacks, that means you didn't do something right. I will never take the chance of callbacks because of a $20 gallon of primer. This ties up my equipment, my time, and makes me look like I didn't know what I was doing. If you want to take that chance be my guest the line forms at the paint counter.
I guess what I'm saying is if you don't mind waiting in line behind grandma and her daughter extolling the virtues of antique white over navajos white and taking answers to your painting questions from someone that was in plumbing 10 minutes before you got there and the time you lose here is not worth any thing then this may be for you. Maybe Jack will do a comparison revue to see how much this adds to the price.
I'm going to quit now, the mod's will probably pull it anyway. But these are just a few of my random thoughts and are therefore rendered meaningless.

Don't see a reason that it would be pulled.
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I'm just saying we're pretty much "unknown" people posting our thoughts whenever we feel like it. Your name is "toolseeker" and you might or might not be somewhere in Florida. Homeowners coming here have no idea who you are. Same as me. Your thoughts aren't meaningless, but one person has already said "don't believe everything you read on the internet" - hopefully the irony and paradox of that statement isn't lost on us here - that statement was written on the internet. And now you are saying you wouldn't use a paint just because some guy on the internet says to. But are you and I not some guys too? Why would you expect people to listen to you, but not Pauhl?

Pauhl's website is far more organized and professional than this forum. I'm not saying this forum isn't good - it is. I'm just saying each type of website has pros and cons. The strength of his site is the in-depth reviews, videos, organization and a clear, consistent point of view. If you read his articles thoroughly, you'd know exactly what his views are on primers, and you'd see the photographic evidence of his experience. You can tell he demands results as well.

The strength of this forum is strength in numbers, custom answers to homeowner's questions, and peer review (anything you or I say can be challenged by anyone else.) You don't see differing opinions on his site, and you don't see people going there for custom advice and getting answers. Here people can get multiple options for solving their problems.

Each type of site has its place and best use.

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The strength of his site is the in-depth reviews, videos, organization and a clear, consistent point of view. If you read his articles thoroughly, you'd know exactly what his views are on primers, and you'd see the photographic evidence of his experience. You can tell he demands results as well.
Cause you only get his view.
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Pauhl's website is far more organized and professional than this forum. .
I just posted a response to the Pauhl forum you linked and received the message
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Cause you only get his view.
Of course, I already said that. The strength of this forum is multiple views, as I already said. The downside of that is confusion to homeowners.
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I just posted a response to the Pauhl forum you linked and received the message

That speaks volumes to me.
Are you guys reading what I wrote? "You don't see differing opinions on his site, and you don't see people going there for custom advice and getting answers."
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Are you guys reading what I wrote? "You don't see differing opinions on his site, and you don't see people going there for custom advice and getting answers."
Which begs the question, why did you post a link to a site that is biased to only the sites name sake's opinion.
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Which begs the question, why did you post a link to a site that is biased to only the sites name sake's opinion.
I already told you why. Because it's well written and more thorough and scientific than any post ever made on this forum, and obviously extremely relevant to the question at hand.
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I already told you why. Because it's well written and more thorough and scientific than any post ever made on this forum, and obviously extremely relevant to the question at hand.
Not really relevant to the question. As its a one sided opinion site. And not possible to question the results(they never showed the actual prepainted drywall they painted with the Bher paint in the first eample, just said it was a tan). Not very scientific.

Looks more like you choose it because it agrees with your opinion.

I may have missed it. But I didn't see where it says anything about the guy. So there isn't much reason to believe he isn't prejudice toward certain methods or products.

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