Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Painting

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-31-2013, 02:29 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,248
Share |
Question

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


I am getting ready to paint my living room using Behr's Glowing Firelight (S-G-200):





My building sidekick suggested not to use the regular Killz2 primer but some special gray primer for red(ish) paints. I am posting here to confirm his suggestion and open a discussion for second opinions. Which specific primer would be the best for this paint?

amakarevic is offline  
Old 08-31-2013, 02:54 PM   #2
Member
 
Matthewt1970's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,766
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


Reds can take 3 coats to cover other colors especially white. They typically only take 2 coats to cover gray. That makes people think they must always use a gray primer under reds, but that is not always the case. If you have bare drywall and use a white primer, then you can very well still be looking at 3 coats to cover the primer. If you have bare drywall than by all means use the gray primer. If you already have painted walls then I would just go with 3 coats of red. That way you only have to clean one paint setup.

__________________
Latex Primer: Good for Drywall, that's about it.
Behr Paint: The plastic buckets are good, that's about it.
Matthewt1970 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Matthewt1970 For This Useful Post:
amakarevic (08-31-2013)
Old 08-31-2013, 03:27 PM   #3
Member
 
Jmayspaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,140
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


The grey primer almost always helps. Depends a little on the paint your using. I have done red with two coats of Aura over previously painted walls with no problem. So in that case, grey primer is unnecessary IMO.

With regular mid line paints, the grey does really help. It helps more if its a specific grey for the red you are using. SW, and other stores I'm sure, have a formula to match the shade of grey to the red your using.
Jmayspaint is online now  
The Following User Says Thank You to Jmayspaint For This Useful Post:
amakarevic (08-31-2013)
Old 08-31-2013, 04:15 PM   #4
Member
 
Gymschu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Eastern Ohio (heart of Appalachia)
Posts: 2,744
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


When in doubt, go with the gray primer. Not saying you can't use white and get away with it, but,,,,,,,,,,,sometimes with certain shades of red, your paint will look PINK over top of the white primer, so, of course you have to apply more coats.
Gymschu is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Gymschu For This Useful Post:
amakarevic (08-31-2013)
Old 08-31-2013, 05:41 PM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,696
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


First issue is why you are priming. If there is already paint on the wall and you are repainting, there is normally no need to use any primer at all. So regular Kilz is out.

The next reason to prime is for color. I'm not too familiar with the Behr color chips, so I don't know if they make a color prime recommendation. With Sherwin Williams, for example, on every paint chip is a gray shade (or lack of) that they recommend under the paint, to bring out the correct color in the paint.

So ideally, there is probably some shade of gray, whether Behr recommends it or not, that would be best under this color.

Basically I agree with matthew, that if this is a repaint, adding a third coat of this paint without primer will probably achieve the actual color and also save you time and money. (I don't know about you, but I never clean roller pans or covers - I throw out the covers and use disposable pan liners. They don't mention this cost when they tell you in the store it's cheaper to use primer than paint.)
jeffnc is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to jeffnc For This Useful Post:
Gymschu (08-31-2013)
Old 08-31-2013, 06:53 PM   #6
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: outside ocala fl
Posts: 3,346
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffnc View Post
First issue is why you are priming. If there is already paint on the wall and you are repainting, there is normally no need to use any primer at all. So regular Kilz is out.

The next reason to prime is for color. I'm not too familiar with the Behr color chips, so I don't know if they make a color prime recommendation. With Sherwin Williams, for example, on every paint chip is a gray shade (or lack of) that they recommend under the paint, to bring out the correct color in the paint.

So ideally, there is probably some shade of gray, whether Behr recommends it or not, that would be best under this color.

Basically I agree with matthew, that if this is a repaint, adding a third coat of this paint without primer will probably achieve the actual color and also save you time and money. (I don't know about you, but I never clean roller pans or covers - I throw out the covers and use disposable pan liners. They don't mention this cost when they tell you in the store it's cheaper to use primer than paint.)
Sorry but I totally disagree with this, I have painted red over some light colored walls, and some bright colors that took 4 and 5 coats. I know there are some people on here that like BEHR but the worst red I ever tried to cover with was BEHR. For the cost of a gallon grey primer or to have primer tinted gray I personally would not paint red without it.
ToolSeeker is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ToolSeeker For This Useful Post:
amakarevic (08-31-2013), chrisn (09-01-2013)
Old 08-31-2013, 07:09 PM   #7
Member
 
Matthewt1970's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,766
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


I have used some of the new true red based paints that damn near cover in one coat, He is using Behr however the color he is showing I would barely even put in the red category.
__________________
Latex Primer: Good for Drywall, that's about it.
Behr Paint: The plastic buckets are good, that's about it.
Matthewt1970 is offline  
Old 08-31-2013, 07:53 PM   #8
Member
 
Jmayspaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,140
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthewt1970
I have used some of the new true red based paints that damn near cover in one coat, He is using Behr however the color he is showing I would barely even put in the red category.
Idk, I've seen some good reviews on the Premium plus as far as coverage goes. That paint is specced to go on %50 thicker than most paints. (6mil)
Jmayspaint is online now  
Old 08-31-2013, 08:49 PM   #9
Member
 
cdaniels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: eastern NC
Posts: 377
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


The grey primer would be cheap insurance although I have used some paints in that shade of red that covered well.Personally, I would prime.
__________________
Charlie Daniels painting and repair
cdaniels is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to cdaniels For This Useful Post:
ToolSeeker (08-31-2013)
Old 08-31-2013, 10:25 PM   #10
Member
 
Matthewt1970's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,766
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmayspaint View Post
Idk, I've seen some good reviews on the Premium plus as far as coverage goes. That paint is specced to go on %50 thicker than most paints. (6mil)
You mean the paint that actually stays on the wall and doesn't sag off?
__________________
Latex Primer: Good for Drywall, that's about it.
Behr Paint: The plastic buckets are good, that's about it.
Matthewt1970 is offline  
Old 09-01-2013, 07:56 AM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,696
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


Quote:
Originally Posted by ToolSeeker View Post
Sorry but I totally disagree with this, I have painted red over some light colored walls, and some bright colors that took 4 and 5 coats. I know there are some people on here that like BEHR but the worst red I ever tried to cover with was BEHR. For the cost of a gallon grey primer or to have primer tinted gray I personally would not paint red without it.
That's fine, it's a good way to go. But with respect to painting red, I've also painted 4-5 coats of red on a wall. I think it has to do with the specific paint, and also the specific hue of red. Some bright reds I call "clear" because the base has very little opaque ingredients in it (you can't use titanium dioxide with a deep, bright red because TD is too white.)

(If I go to Sherwin Williams and ask for SuperPaint, and they tell me the color is going to be mixed into Color Accents Ultra-Deep Base, I know I'm in trouble. Don't know if they still carry Color Accents or if they use something else now.)

Two things - first, the red shown here is not really a bright red. It might use Behr's plain white base, not sure. Second, it might have been an older version of Behr you used. They change all the time. See Jack Pauhl's review.
http://www.jackpauhl.com/behr-premiu...ltra-eggshell/

Last edited by jeffnc; 09-01-2013 at 09:37 AM.
jeffnc is offline  
Old 09-01-2013, 09:49 AM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,696
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


jmayspaint seems to understand his wet mil thickness better than most of us, but I can tell you Behr Premium Plus Ultra is spec'ed for coverage as high as 400 sf/gal but as low as 250! So the recommended wet film thickness is 4.0-6.4, and dry film thickness from 1.6 to as high as 2.6! That's awesome. That's 2 full coats of ProMar 200 in one coat. Thicker than Aura at 2.0.

(More evidence we should think in terms of paint film thickness, not number of coats.)

I guess it's easy to claim anything you want, but if it delivers that, no one else can match it (at least they're not claiming it, so that probably means they can't do it.)

Can't say I've applied it that thick, but if I get an opportunity to experiment, I'm going to. My standard paint is SuperPaint, at 1.3 mil thickness, but if I continue to hear good things about Premium Plus Ultra and have more good experiences with it, maybe it will become my standard paint (only problem being it doesn't come in flat as far as I can tell.)

Last edited by jeffnc; 09-01-2013 at 09:53 AM.
jeffnc is offline  
Old 09-01-2013, 09:57 AM   #13
paper hanger and painter
 
chrisn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Hagerstown MD
Posts: 6,689
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


See Jack Pauhl's review.
http://www.jackpauhl.com/behr-premiu...ltra-eggshell/


Well, if you really believe everything you read on the internet, this might prove interesting. Me, I don't believe. This coming of my own experience with the product.
chrisn is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to chrisn For This Useful Post:
ccarlisle (09-01-2013)
Old 09-01-2013, 10:02 AM   #14
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,696
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


By extension, we shouldn't believe anything we read in this forum, then? If you're saying we should base our conclusions only on our own experience, then why are you here giving advice and why does this forum even exist?

I would say Pauhl's review is far more detailed, controlled, and scientific than any of the more or less random comments on this forum. I've never seen anything like review from you or me or anyone else here for that matter. People don't need to believe everything they read on the internet. But if they're not going to believe reviews that well written, then the internet is probably not the place for them to begin with.

Last edited by jeffnc; 09-01-2013 at 10:06 AM.
jeffnc is offline  
Old 09-01-2013, 10:39 AM   #15
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 2
Default

Do I need special primer for red(ish) paint?


Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffnc View Post
(only problem being it doesn't come in flat as far as I can tell.)
Behr makes a Premium Plus Ultra ceiling paint. I used it recently and while it's not the flattest paint I've ever seen, it's pretty flat. It's only tintable in lighter colors, though.

MikeEG is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to MikeEG For This Useful Post:
jeffnc (09-01-2013)
Closed Thread

Tags
paint, primer


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NEW DRYWALL, new addition, Need Primer chipraynor Painting 50 11-09-2011 11:45 PM
Fresh acrylic primer + paint not sticking paul_l Painting 12 09-23-2010 09:06 AM
Paint riddle... Please help me fix this? techprincesse Painting 8 08-24-2009 10:00 AM
Primer vs. Flat paint lovetrading Painting 3 08-22-2008 08:13 PM
Paint will not stick in Bathroom! SGTHetland Painting 9 08-17-2008 11:04 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.