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Old 01-25-2013, 03:19 PM   #46
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But I am an idiot. I don't have none of the book learnin like you, I might be doing it wrong.
There's a difference between intelligence and knowledge.

As far as "Behr semi" goes, I have no idea what paint you're talking about.

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Old 01-25-2013, 04:03 PM   #47
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Don't be an idiot. We already had this discussion yesterday. Go look it up if you care.
Come on Jeff, it does say self priming, does it not? Or are you making our argument for us now college boy? You're so intent on making big points and arguing science that you're missing the bigger picture, one that if you read what I and ric and ltd said and let it sink in instead of scanning for points to refute, you would understand.
This isn't an organic chemistry class/lab, it isn't a painter apprenticeship workshop, nor is it a place for pros to argue the finer points. It's a self-help DIY forum for homeowners to get advice and guidance on their weekend projects, period. The way we as pros have done things for the 2-3 decades we've all been doing this has proven to be tried and true. That's what we recommend, something that we're sure is going to solve the HO's problem, not possibly create more. And I think that we, you excluded, have a consensus on that point. It's very simple.

Paint and primer in one is in the beta stage, and I experiment with it. I'm not opposed to technological advances and increased productivity. I've lost jobs because I despise the "well, that's the way we do it here mentality". I graduated magna cum laude from the University of Rochester with a special distinction in my field of study, and I continue to educate myself on a host of issues on a daily basis, so I hold education in the highest regard and encourage everyone to gain as much as they can. And the only reason I went to college was to be an educated man, not to get a job. I started at 31, and I had jobs before that. I didn't need a job, I have a skill, a trade, a craft, and one that I love. But all of that distinction and education adds up to dick in the real world. That's where experience plays, education only puts you in the pathway to gain the experience. It's not an end in itself. I can't tell you how many times I fell for latex sealers that they told me would block nicotine or water stains, and didn't. But I'm experienced now, and that's a hard sell. Forgive me if I don't fall right in line for paint and primer in one.

Again, the main point is to pass on tried and true info that we know will work. We're not here to advance technology or the paint companies, or blaze trails in the scientific community. We're using the wheel, not reinventing it. At it's most basic, we're just here to help the Johns and Marys of the world get their living room project finished with the least amount of complication and risk. Why you gotta be a hater G? You really killin the buzz.
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As you can see, painters love to discuss primer.

Surface prep is key. I don't think you'd make the situation worse by using the proper primer for your conditions. I'm not convinced that you need a primer if the base was primed and painted and in good condition. Except that a prime coat may help eliminate a color coat (always two color coats, minimum). In your case, I don't think three color coats is superior to one primer and two color coats - but that difference may be negligible.

The only thing that gives me pause about your painter is the insinuation that he would use only one color coat over a prime coat.
I don't recall seeing that,but I strongly disagree....always two coats over primer.Just the right thing to do.
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There's a difference between intelligence and knowledge.

As far as "Behr semi" goes, I have no idea what paint you're talking about.
That says a lot for such a short statement.
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Come on Jeff, it does say self priming, does it not? Or are you making our argument for us now college boy?
Go back and read post #30. I'm getting tired of doing the reading and research for you.
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That says a lot for such a short statement.
What is says is how sloppy and lazy you are with your thinking and attention to detail. Behr makes more than one paint and I couldn't possibly know what you mean by "Behr" paint any more than I'd know which car you're talking about if you said "Ford".
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I don't think any more "discussion"is going to work with Mr Jeff, he is obviously way to intelligent for all us peons to try and understand.
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he is obviously way to intelligent for all us peons to try and understand.
Well, awareness is the first step, so there might be hope. But you're right - so far you guys are definitely lagging behind in the cognition department.
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...anyone remember what I said 'bout always having to have the last word?
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If this is in fact a deck FLOOR...

>>> THERE ARE NO PRIMERS FOR HORIZONTAL USE!!! <<<
>>> EVERY can of conventional store-bought primers, Int. or Ext., say...NOT FOR USE ON FLOORS. <<<

One of the VERY few exceptions to this is Cabot's "Problem-solving deck primer". We never sold any!
>>> A prep note even for this- Cabot says sanding is a must for wood in poor surface condition.

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PLEASE do us a favor and post pics of this bright red paint with 2 coats of white paint over it. If you can get 5 years in a written go for it. Oh yea let us know what paint he is using.
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The contractor I hire said I don't need prime. He will just put two coat on the patio, that will be better. He said the paint is much ore expensive than prime, put two coat of paint will be better than prime plus finish paint.
I read that as the painter suggesting that he could do the job with two coats of white paint, or a coat of primer plus a coat of paint.

I think most of us (pros, amateurs, etc.) are of the opinion that isn't going to completely cover it. I could go either way on the primer question, but I'd want to know how he was going to prep the surface. Is he going to sand? Is he planning to clean it?
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This isn't an organic chemistry class/lab, it isn't a painter apprenticeship workshop, nor is it a place for pros to argue the finer points. It's a self-help DIY forum for homeowners to get advice and guidance on their weekend projects, period.

At some point during these ongoing catfights, you would imagine that a light bulb would come on and illuminate some of the verbose individuals here.

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