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Old 05-08-2011, 08:02 AM   #61
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Deck Power Washed...now many days of rain before stain!


So yesterday was finally the day to stain! All in all I think it was a success (partial - I still have a smaller lower section to do, a long built-in bench, and part of the lower exterior deck).

Stopped at my local paint store yesterday morning after the kids' t-ball/softball games and picked up 4 gallons of the Sikkens SRD (re) in Natural. I tested a sample of the Natural last week on a new piece of 2x6 and it looked perfect. The paint store guy insisted that the Natural Light was not a clear-coat but in fact was only slightly lighter than the Natural, and with less protection, so he recommended I stick with Natural, so I did, even though I was concerned that the Natural would be too dark on my older deck.

Unfortunately, my local Sikkens dealer charges an arm and a leg - $44.95 per gallon. And they don't sell 5-gallon containers. Looking back I wish I had just ordered a 5-gallon container online for $185 shipped, versus the $190 I spent for 4 gallons.

I applied the stain to the railing and the deck. The deck is 23x14, with thin railing all around the one side and a built-in bench along half of it. I did the railings first, which took much longer than I expected (about 2.5 to 3 hours). Then, my wife pitched in and helped me do the deck boards. At first we did just brush but then I recommended that she roll it onto the board and I follow with a heavy backbrushing. This worked pretty well - definitely faster (which is important as you'll read what happened after we got done). I still had to dip the brush in the stain and apply with the brush too, because the roller didn't put a lot on. I was not prepared for using the roller so all we had was a 3/8th inch nap roller cover. Not ideal for this for sure, but it helped.

It took us about 2 hours to do the main deck. We still have the lower (smaller) deck to do, the built-in bench, and part of the exterior. All in all I expect another 5 hours of staining before all is said and done. I HOPE. Here is why:

Yesterday morning, before I started staining, I checked the weather report and it said "0% chance of precipitation" for every hour yesterday (source: fox 29 weather website). Of course, about an hour after we finished the main deck staining, it started raining. About 10 minutes later, it stopped. Then, about 30 minutes later it started pouring rain (with full sun - it was odd). It rained about 45 minutes and then stopped for good for the night.

I was heartbroken last night - all the time spent on this never-ending project : ( Not to mention the hundreds of dollars in stain, brushes, deck wash solution, brightener, pressure washer rental, etc. I was bummed thinking it was/is ruined. But I *think*, I *hope*, that the rain didn't hurt it because the water just beaded up on the surface. At least that's what it looks like it has done. I went out first thing this morning and it's all just beaded up on the surface of the boards. I started to sweep it off, as my next concern is what happens when the sun dries it off - will it leave marks. But when I started sweeping it just more moved the water into pools than get rid of it (a squeegee would have been useful but I don't have one). So I gave up on that idea and will find out later today whether my first attempt at staining a deck was a massive, expensive failure or not : )

Some final thoughts for those reading this in the future (since Sikkens SRD is the top-recommended semi-transparent stain by Consumer Reports, and there are very few legit reviews/discussions of it online, I imagine this info could come in handy for someone eventually):
  • Applying the stain is not as 'dainty' a project as you might think. I found the stain to be pretty forgiving - I was dripping all over and was worried about not maintaining a wet edge at all times, but the spots went away and all was fine once gone over eventually.
  • The Natural 078 looks much darker on my weathered (but cleaned and brightened) old PT pine deck. MUCH darker than the sample on the new scrap PT pine I tried. It looks good, but I'm hoping it dries much lighter. It will probably take a few days to find out with the rain.
  • I live in PA and didn't realize until I got the stain home from the paint shop that in PA Sikkens only sells the reduced emissions stuff (SRD"re" on the can). Not sure how much that effects the shade, as the sample I got was not re.
  • Make sure you tape off any siding/spots you don't want this stuff on. Once it gets on it's impossible to get off - I got a few drops on my white vinyl siding and couldn't get it off. Have a rag soaked in mineral spirits ready. I didn't : (
  • Surprisingly, it washes off the skin pretty easily. Which was a good thing considering the reason I stopped staining after only 5 hours was to go to a 'Dad and Daughter' girl scout troop dance that evening : )

Once the wood dries up in a few days after the latest rain, I'll apply stain to the rest of the deck and then post pics.

If anyone has experienced this (particularly with Sikkens stain, but any) - where it rained soon after application - please let me know what I might be in for...I'm confident it will be okay now though.

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Hooray for Sikkens! The heavy rain that started less than an hour after finishing applying the SRD stain, and lasted for about 45 minutes, did not effect the stain at all! Really impressed with it and, although I am not thrilled with the darker shade (hoping within a couple of days as it dries further and more sun it will lighten up some, but it will never be as light as I'd hoped), all in all I'm convinced that had I gone with a cheap stain it would have been ruined by the unexpected rain. Will post final pics later in the week once it's all done.
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Hooray for Sikkens! The heavy rain that started less than an hour after finishing applying the SRD stain, and lasted for about 45 minutes, did not effect the stain at all! Really impressed with it and, although I am not thrilled with the darker shade (hoping within a couple of days as it dries further and more sun it will lighten up some, but it will never be as light as I'd hoped), all in all I'm convinced that had I gone with a cheap stain it would have been ruined by the unexpected rain. Will post final pics later in the week once it's all done.
It will lighten some, but probably not as much as you would like. I have experienced similar situations applying Sikkens, where it rained unexpectedly shortly after application, but have never had a problem, because of that.
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Hooray for Sikkens! The heavy rain that started less than an hour after finishing applying the SRD stain, and lasted for about 45 minutes, did not effect the stain at all! Really impressed with it and, although I am not thrilled with the darker shade (hoping within a couple of days as it dries further and more sun it will lighten up some, but it will never be as light as I'd hoped), all in all I'm convinced that had I gone with a cheap stain it would have been ruined by the unexpected rain. Will post final pics later in the week once it's all done.
Where is the picture? After reading through all of your trials and tribulations, I am glad that you finally finished your project. Did you ever consider using SW Woodscapes or Deckscapes on your deck? I am just wondering with all the research you did if that was even an option for you. I have tried to research Sikkens vs. SW but get limited information.
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It will lighten some, but probably not as much as you would like. I have experienced similar situations applying Sikkens, where it rained unexpectedly shortly after application, but have never had a problem, because of that.
I have read many of your quotes and must say very impressed. Too bad you aren't in N.Ga or I would hire you to stain my home and decks. Maybe you can help me though. I have several bids from several different contractors most of whom recommend Sikkens and two who recommended SW Woodscapes. I have a log sided home( probably constructed out of white pine) with pressure treated decks around it. When I bought it the decks were never treated thus they are grey. The home is in bad need of stain is mildewed with black mold etc. My question is how do you rate Sikkens Cetol 123 and SRD vs. SW Wood/Deckscapes. I have heard that once Sikkens in on the home you are pretty much married to it unless you cob blast it off which I can't afford to do right now. Is this true? Also, oil vs. impregnated stain...I am so confused and need to make a decision asap...I hope you can help me!!!
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Where is the picture? After reading through all of your trials and tribulations, I am glad that you finally finished your project. Did you ever consider using SW Woodscapes or Deckscapes on your deck? I am just wondering with all the research you did if that was even an option for you. I have tried to research Sikkens vs. SW but get limited information.
Aw man. Yeah I do need to post a pic. After all the time spent on that deck, and the support I got on here, I owe it to the forum. I will try to snap one and post it asap.

I did consider SW Deckscapes, as well as Cabots and others. I spent a lot of time on the internet and stopping by area paint stores and talking with the dealers. Everything kept steering me towards the Sikkens stains as the best. I kept getting told/reading blog posts (with pics) of how SW was breaking down quick. I can definitely say that the Sikkens stain is high quality and I have no doubt it will last at least 3 or 4 years if not more. Of course, that's based on my untrained eye but considering the heat we've endured this summer, it's not faded one bit yet.

Also, one of the major reasons I had so much trouble, aside from the constant rain in the Spring/early Summer, was that the damn stain manufacturers are complete knuckleheads. Both Cabots (at Lowes) and Sherwin Williams (via their store near me) would not provide or sell me sample cans of their stains. Sikkens did (and my local paint shop even gave me some for free of the various shades). Unfortunately, the shades in the sample are not always exact to the final product, I found out.

It's been a few months now since I finally finished this project. I'm glad it's over. I'm proud that I was able to do such a large deck/project myself. If I had to do it all over again, to be honest, I'd seriously consider using a cheaper stain. Reason being is that I'm not thrilled with the color or finish of the Sikkens semi-transp stain. It's a 'matte' finsih - no shine whatsoever. It's dull. Apparently this is a common gripe with Sikkens semi.

Another gripe, and you may laugh but....by using a cheaper stain I would have the opportunity to re-do it in just a few years. : ) Seriously - now that I know what to do and how to do it, and the fact that I'm not enamored with the color of any of the Sikkens semi stains, I kinda would welcome the opportunity for a 'do-over'. And if I did, I would definitely heed the advice of the one poster who smartly told me to rent a big sander and sand the deck. I ignored that advice because there are so many nails I would have had to hammer down (at least 1000 on my deck). In hindsight, I should have just bought a nice hand disk/palm sander and did it all by hand. The finish wouldn't have turned out so dark. But that would have added to the time for this project and I already spent a LOT of time on it, and with the $250 in Sikkens stain, a lot of money.

All that said....I've had numerous people come to the house and notice the deck and rave about the stain/color. Just the other day we had a fencing contractor come out to give us an estimate for installing a fence around our property. When I took him out back he looked at the deck and kept saying how much he loved the shade of the stain and how good it looks. Me - I think it's too dark (but that's because of the wood underneath), and I hate the fact that there is no shine/gloss to Sikkens SRD stains. That alone makes me regret using it.
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Aw man. Yeah I do need to post a pic. After all the time spent on that deck, and the support I got on here, I owe it to the forum. I will try to snap one and post it asap.

I did consider SW Deckscapes, as well as Cabots and others. I spent a lot of time on the internet and stopping by area paint stores and talking with the dealers. Everything kept steering me towards the Sikkens stains as the best. I kept getting told/reading blog posts (with pics) of how SW was breaking down quick. I can definitely say that the Sikkens stain is high quality and I have no doubt it will last at least 3 or 4 years if not more. Of course, that's based on my untrained eye but considering the heat we've endured this summer, it's not faded one bit yet.

Also, one of the major reasons I had so much trouble, aside from the constant rain in the Spring/early Summer, was that the damn stain manufacturers are complete knuckleheads. Both Cabots (at Lowes) and Sherwin Williams (via their store near me) would not provide or sell me sample cans of their stains. Sikkens did (and my local paint shop even gave me some for free of the various shades). Unfortunately, the shades in the sample are not always exact to the final product, I found out.

It's been a few months now since I finally finished this project. I'm glad it's over. I'm proud that I was able to do such a large deck/project myself. If I had to do it all over again, to be honest, I'd seriously consider using a cheaper stain. Reason being is that I'm not thrilled with the color or finish of the Sikkens semi-transp stain. It's a 'matte' finsih - no shine whatsoever. It's dull. Apparently this is a common gripe with Sikkens semi.

Another gripe, and you may laugh but....by using a cheaper stain I would have the opportunity to re-do it in just a few years. : ) Seriously - now that I know what to do and how to do it, and the fact that I'm not enamored with the color of any of the Sikkens semi stains, I kinda would welcome the opportunity for a 'do-over'. And if I did, I would definitely heed the advice of the one poster who smartly told me to rent a big sander and sand the deck. I ignored that advice because there are so many nails I would have had to hammer down (at least 1000 on my deck). In hindsight, I should have just bought a nice hand disk/palm sander and did it all by hand. The finish wouldn't have turned out so dark. But that would have added to the time for this project and I already spent a LOT of time on it, and with the $250 in Sikkens stain, a lot of money.

All that said....I've had numerous people come to the house and notice the deck and rave about the stain/color. Just the other day we had a fencing contractor come out to give us an estimate for installing a fence around our property. When I took him out back he looked at the deck and kept saying how much he loved the shade of the stain and how good it looks. Me - I think it's too dark (but that's because of the wood underneath), and I hate the fact that there is no shine/gloss to Sikkens SRD stains. That alone makes me regret using it.
Well, you must be one handy do it yourselfer because my husband and I wouldn't even consider taking on a job like that.

So you did use SRD on the decks..I was looking into the SW Woodscapes which I know is a matte finish and the Deckscapes which has a sheen. I just don't know whaich one to go with. I have read too that Sikkens comes with no warranty and if you apply something else over it there is a possibility it may peel or crackle such as SW over exisisting Sikkens....

Thoughts?
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mark2741, it's been two years. How did the stain hold up?

When we bought our house the previous owners had the termite repair guys rebuild the parking deck and against my advice, they stained it without sanding or doing any other surface prep. Despite being "new" wood from the lumber yard, the stain did not soak in at all and flaked off of large areas, leaving no trace it had even been there in under a year. Not long after they did their shoddy job, I sanded and stained (using the same stain) a couple test boards on the opposite deck. A deck that actually gets more sun than the parking deck. And in the same time period, those boards still look almost newly stained. So surface prep is incredibly important.

I do NOT recommend using a hand sander as it takes forever and it takes a lot of downward pressure to get off that old wood. Pushing down hard transfers a lot of vibration to your hands and your fingers will be tingling in 30 minutes. Plus it takes forever. Most advice I've read says to use a big floor drum sander with 60 grit and make long passes. Boards that are raised higher than other boards will gradually get shaved down to the level of neighbor boards so you'll need to sink nails in them deep. I think it's best to replace nails with screws, which does take a long time, but you'll never need to worry about them popping up over time. Use strong screws like GRK R4 or you'll have some breaking, however, since most screws are more fragile than nails.

There was an argument about sanding vs cleaning/brightening solutions towards the start of this thread. I only pressure washed with water and then sanded and as I said it looks great after over a year. Nowhere in this thread was it explained why cleaner/brightener would actually do better than just sanding, other than something vague about balancing ph. If nobody can point to a scientific study saying that it actually makes an appreciable difference, I don't think it's worth doing. As it stands, I think people are posting vague reasons to use brightener just to increase brightener sales or because they like being paid to spend extra time on a brightener step.

I searched Google and couldn't find any studies regarding deck brighteners, or even an explanation of how they might "open up pores", but one link mentioned the ph balancing of a brightener is meant to offset the use of cleaners, not to counteract any natural ph "imbalance" in the wood. If you sand down to clean, bright wood, a cleaner doesn't seem necessary to me since most stains have anti-fungal mixed in (and if you use water based stains they won't feed fungus like oil based will) and power washing should get rid of a lot of the crud anyway. It doesn't seem intuitive to me that brightener is going to make wood absorb stain any better. I will admit it says right on the side of my stain to use a cleaner, wash, then use a brightener, and that the brightener will "open up the pores" for the stain, but at the same time, they say to use cleaner/brightener from the same company so it's just as likely a pitch to sell you more stuff that isn't necessary. I can find hundreds of links on Google that claim you should use brightener because it "opens up the pores" but all those links also try to sell you their wood brightener. Nobody explains how it works or has studies showing it works. If anything, it seems to me that components of cleaners and brighteners will just get stuck in pores that would otherwise have absorbed stain, not open up the pores.
A guy on one forum thought the harsh cleaners/brighteners had actually weakened his wood, though who knows what his evidence was for that. If brightener actually does open pores, then it should make the wood buried in cracks you can't reach by sanding more receptive to soaking in stain, which should be a good thing. But it's hard to believe it would have that effect without some evidence or even an explanation. Having every stain company trying to sell you two more chemicals isn't very convincing, nor is it good for the ground below the deck or whatever else those chemicals will eventually seep into.


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