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Old 03-29-2011, 07:11 PM   #31
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Hey Mark!

I'm sorry your "experienced DIY-ers" feel that way.
It's simply NOT correct.
I don't care if there's 10,000 nails...it needs to be sanded.
It also doesn't matter if you're using S/T or Opaque....
The same sanding reasoning applies.

I don't mean this dis-respectfully AT ALL...but this is like telling a smoker to quit. There's a million reasons TO quit, but somehow it rarely gets done...even though it's the right decision.

(I'm just trying to be funny making a serious point, so please take it in that light!)

I'll stop beating a dead horse now...

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Old 03-29-2011, 10:27 PM   #32
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I don't want to spend 3 days banging in nail heads so this is the best alternative
I'd rather spend 3 days banging in nail heads than be restaining the deck every summer.

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Those same guys told me to just bite the bullet and use an opaque stain,
Don't know for sure, but I thought I read that the opaque stains will not last nearly as long as a transparent or semi-transparent.


I'm in the same boat, but just ordered a Porter Cable 7346 to go the sanding route. I've got 3 days off work in a couple weeks and plan on going after it then.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:28 PM   #33
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Hi Faron- I just read your post about no need to brighten/wash after sanding. I cleaned my cedar deck thoroughly about 2-1/2 months ago, in preparation for a full sand. I am just now getting around to sanding it this weekend. My question is---do I need to re-clean deck again, before sanding? just wanted to know, because I'm renting a vibrating plate sander this weekend and once finished sanding, removing dust etc. if I could immediately follow with staining.

I dont mind cleaning again, just didnt know if a full sand was going to do the same thing as cleaning.

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Respectfully differing with Housepaintingny-

EVERY stain company I visit with (especially people @ Sikkens) all agree that a periodic full sanding of a deck floor is the best prep.
A few U.S. Forestry and University studies on UN-stained wood left in the sun lose HALF of their Lignin & Cellulose...

>>> ...IN TWO WEEKS.

Translated:
* HALF of a boards stain-holding ability is GONE in 2 weeks, due to Sun-exposure ALONE.
* This isn't even factoring wear, dirt, freeze-thaw cycles, moisture-environment conditions, etc.

The only remedy: SANDING-off degraded wood fibers.

If you've sanded a deck, why in the He## would you need to "Brighten" it?!?!? You're back down to virgin wood!

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Hi Faron- I just read your post about no need to brighten/wash after sanding. I cleaned my cedar deck thoroughly about 2-1/2 months ago, in preparation for a full sand. I am just now getting around to sanding it this weekend. My question is---do I need to re-clean deck again, before sanding? just wanted to know, because I'm renting a vibrating plate sander this weekend and once finished sanding, removing dust etc. if I could immediately follow with staining.

I dont mind cleaning again, just didnt know if a full sand was going to do the same thing as cleaning.

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Yeah dude you're good to go. As long as theres no grease from the BBQ or something, sand away! No need to wash again, or after the sanding either. Broom off the dust, or piss off your neighbors using a leaf blower
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Old 03-31-2011, 11:55 PM   #35
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Thanks NC! Big help
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Hey NC-

Got her sanded! 95% of the deck looks great, but there is a few grey spots here and there that didnt come up with the plate sander. Do I need to sand those few spots, in order to make it all the "universal cedar color? There is also a few boards (in the spaces seperating boards) where there is a little old stain left behind. Would it be easier to unscrew boards and finish them out, (staining, sand, dry) in garage?

I have a few pics that might "Paint" a better picture, just not sure how to post them. I will give it a try....

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Yeah dude you're good to go. As long as theres no grease from the BBQ or something, sand away! No need to wash again, or after the sanding either. Broom off the dust, or piss off your neighbors using a leaf blower
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From the grey in the pics. The deck was not cleaned with the proper cleaner before sanding. Using a pressure washer on low pressure with the proper cleaner would have restored your deck to new, removing grey dead wood fibers, dirt, mold, mildew and leaving the pours open to accept stain. A deck needs to be cleaned well prior to sanding, otherwise you are just pressing the mold, mildew, dirt, and dead fibers into the wood.
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Actually I cleaned it thoroughly prior to sanding.
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Actually I cleaned it thoroughly prior to sanding.
Your one post says that you cleaned the deck about 2.5 months ago. Nothing for nothing, but it should have been cleaned again. Everyone is posting about sanding decks here, but the deck should still be cleaned recently right before sanding and in the pics you posted after sanding I see dead gray wood fibers, if a deck is cleaned with the proper products all of the dead grey wood fibers will be gone and the deck will look new again. I've taken decks that have not been stained for a couple of year, grey and black looking and after cleaning them they look new again. Then if you need to sand you sand. Most guys sand after pressure washing, because they don't pressure wash the deck correctly and use to much pressure causing fuzziness and zebra stripping in the deck.
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Thanks. I did clean her 2 months ago, its just there has been practically no activity on deck in that time. The previous owners had it covered as well, we just removed it because it was rather tacky and and wanted to install our own.

In your experience, what can be done to get her looking good again?
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Thanks. I did clean her 2 months ago, its just there has been practically no activity on deck in that time. The previous owners had it covered as well, we just removed it because it was rather tacky and and wanted to install our own.

In your experience, what can be done to get her looking good again?
Contrary to what other have previously posted. It is a good idea to apply a deck brightner after sanding. A brightner will remove any discoloration, stains and nail or screw rust, restoring the wood to original, uniform color. Personally I would clean that deck again and brighten. You need to remove that grey or it will show through your stain and the stain will also not absorb well in those areas. I like using a product from the wolman stain company called deck brite. It cleans and brightens in one step. It contains per carbonate. It does not contain bleach or chlorine. A lot of cleaners and brightners contain bleach which actually only bleaches the surfaces and over time destroys the glue in the wood. Deck Brite can be found on line. I've. Used a lot of cleaners, but have settled on deck brite. Just follow the instructions and let the cleaner do the work.
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housepaintingny: Thanks for your help! went ahead and cleaned/brightened it yesterday. I used "Floods deck cleaner/ brightener" this time, as I have had good results in the past. looks tons better this morning (Full sun today) and tons brighter. I am still noticing on a couple of older boards, that i didnt flip over (angles) that there is still a little grey mixed in with the uniform cedar color. Is this just because these were a little more affected by weather conditions than the others, or is there more i could potentially do to get the "greying" out? Followed directions to a tee, just thing these boards might have been more affected by sun, rain, snow, etc. than the others.

Thanks for the tip on "Deckbrite" I went ahead and ordered a gallon online last night....for future cleanings...





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Contrary to what other have previously posted. It is a good idea to apply a deck brightner after sanding. A brightner will remove any discoloration, stains and nail or screw rust, restoring the wood to original, uniform color. Personally I would clean that deck again and brighten. You need to remove that grey or it will show through your stain and the stain will also not absorb well in those areas. I like using a product from the wolman stain company called deck brite. It cleans and brightens in one step. It contains per carbonate. It does not contain bleach or chlorine. A lot of cleaners and brightners contain bleach which actually only bleaches the surfaces and over time destroys the glue in the wood. Deck Brite can be found on line. I've. Used a lot of cleaners, but have settled on deck brite. Just follow the instructions and let the cleaner do the work.
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You can sand the last couple boards with an orbital.
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Just an update from the OP -

The weather here has been non-conducive to finishing the job due to rain and cold since I first washed it using deck cleaner, then power washed it (I posted pics after that).

It's been about 3 weeks since then. I went to my local paint store and picked up some sample cans of Sikkens semi-transparent stain for free. Along with it the guy gave me the Sikkens brochure and told me I shouldn't have pressure-washed it, that I should have just used a mixture of 3 parts TSP and 1 part bleach mixed with water. He referred me to the Sikkens instructions in the brochure for the stains. It says to use a mixture of TSP, some bleach, and warm water to clean the deck (first apply the mixture with pump sprayer, then scrub with hard-bristle brush while the mixture does its thing for 15 to 20 minutes, then pressure wash off at low pressure).

I tried this today on the lower part of my deck and it definitely made a big difference and evened out the wood, taking away the rest of the gray and it just overall looks even, unlike before, and ready for stain, unlike the previous attempts.

This weekend I'll do the rest of the deck per Sikkens' instructions and and then mid-next week, after the recommended 48 hours dry time, I'll apply the Sikkens Cetol SRD stain. I'll post pics afterward. Be glad when this is finally done, and now I know why the Trex stuff is so popular : )
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Just an update from the OP -

The weather here has been non-conducive to finishing the job due to rain and cold since I first washed it using deck cleaner, then power washed it (I posted pics after that).

It's been about 3 weeks since then. I went to my local paint store and picked up some sample cans of Sikkens semi-transparent stain for free. Along with it the guy gave me the Sikkens brochure and told me I shouldn't have pressure-washed it, that I should have just used a mixture of 3 parts TSP and 1 part bleach mixed with water. He referred me to the Sikkens instructions in the brochure for the stains. It says to use a mixture of TSP, some bleach, and warm water to clean the deck (first apply the mixture with pump sprayer, then scrub with hard-bristle brush while the mixture does its thing for 15 to 20 minutes, then pressure wash off at low pressure).

I tried this today on the lower part of my deck and it definitely made a big difference and evened out the wood, taking away the rest of the gray and it just overall looks even, unlike before, and ready for stain, unlike the previous attempts.

This weekend I'll do the rest of the deck per Sikkens' instructions and and then mid-next week, after the recommended 48 hours dry time, I'll apply the Sikkens Cetol SRD stain. I'll post pics afterward. Be glad when this is finally done, and now I know why the Trex stuff is so popular : )
That is what Sikkens recommends before staining any wood surface with any of there stain. It does work, but doesn't brighten the wood like a brightner wood. A pressure washer is ok to use, as long as you use low pressure.

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