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Old 03-25-2013, 06:23 PM   #31
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To be honest I never thought about peel bond. May be worth a try get a small can to try and see if it will work.
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Tearing down the walls is not an option. Too expensive, too time consuming, and too much work.

it may be your cheapest, easiest and fasted option.
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Fix, If you explain every step from where he is to a complete tear down, rebuild and refinish, along with what you estimate time spent and materials, maybe we could understand what you mean by cheapest, easiest and fastest.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:31 PM   #34
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I think like Brush said, the skim coat's the best option. I'm not even sure the Peel Bond would work as well, and it's just too expensive ($50/gallon). And replacing the drywall is a complete waste of time and money IMO
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Tearing it all out would be like cutting off you finger because there was a splinter in it.
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Bad analogy. But it's your time and money to waste.

Were this a situation where you wanted the job done quickly and for a predictable amount of money then remove/replace is probably a reasonable plan. Especially if it's clear removing the decal is not going to happen without damaging the drywall. But since you're the one doing the work then it's up to you to decide how much of your time you're prepared to sink into the job. Were you paying someone else then you'd pretty quickly decide to get the job done in as little time as possible. Personally I'd find a local wallpapering contractor and get an estimate from them about the job. Better to at least hear from someone local and an expert at handling the material than just continue to guess about online.
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The carpenters are out in force on this one. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Guys, I know you think you know this business as well as us, but you don't. No matter how much time you spend around painters, and as "easy" as you think our job is, you're wrong. If you don't spend everyday in our trench, you can't expect to understand. Go to my blog and look at the gas fireplace repaint. The general contractor, of thirty years, told the designer I could just throw that in, without my knowledge. He told me he didn't think it would take me more than an hour at most, at most, if that. It took almost a full day start to finish. Shows you what he knows about my business. He was good for a doozy a day almost. And I billed a few hundred as opposed to "throwing it in".

The last time I was on a job where rock had to be replaced, I remember that all the trim had to be removed, all the rock had to be removed (a big mess), pull all the nails, install new rock and finish it including tying it into the ceiling and the existing side walls, all having to be primed. Now the ceiling and sidewalls need to repainted as well. All NEW trim had to be installed which required putty and caulk, and repaint.

What we, the painters, are proposing is measured in hours, without all the mess and expense of what you're proposing. I know very few carpenters who can wield a drywall blade with any confidence or success, but painters are another story. My drywall tools get an almost daily workout. Don't project that lack of confidence onto us and the HO. Everybody has a voice here, but the OP came to the PAINT forum for advice, let the people who know paint him give the advice he seeks.
It's not a hard job for a pro, but it might be for an inexperienced DIY. If that's the case, he can hire someone to do what we propose and he can paint it once it's done. Sheesh!
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Yup.
Tried to get Fix to explain, but one of the many bottom lines is AFTER he pulled all trim, rock etc, replaced same you would still need to TAPE THE ROCK. back to using mud and a blade. Which is what we said was all that was needed in the first place. Not to mention making the trim fit and refinishing that etc etc...
Faster easier, cheaper. Get the right guy. A carpenter/GC is not it.
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When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Perhaps the same thing applies, when all you wield is a brush everything looks like a paint job?

The one thing that does seem clear is it's probably worth having an appropriately skilled pro eye up the problem IN PERSON and lay out the options.
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..but this IS the PAINT DiY forum...

If all you know is hvac- stay there..

I never cruise the plumbing forum and give my 2 cents.
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Perhaps the same thing applies, when all you wield is a brush everything looks like a paint job?

The one thing that does seem clear is it's probably worth having an appropriately skilled pro eye up the problem IN PERSON and lay out the options.
Agreed, this is a paint forum, and here we use brushes. What OP is dealing with is an everyday occurrence, maybe not to the same extent, but skim coating is skim coating. BJ, point him to the picture of the entire ceiling you skim coated.
The "options" are to remove the decals or skim over them. Ripping trim and sheetrock, and starting from scratch is not one, whether I'm standing in OP's living room or sitting here in my chair. To suggest that that approach is faster, easier, and less costly is absurd, period.
I'm not even going to touch on the "appropriately skilled pro" slap in the face, less I get banned.
I'm sorry if the HVAC forum is slow tonight and you feel a need to advise, but this isn't the place.
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..but this IS the PAINT DiY forum...

If all you know is hvac- stay there..

I never cruise the plumbing forum and give my 2 cents.
Maybe we should cruise plumbing BJ, a lot of what we say there would be as valid as those here. And, the mods would have to support us, because everyone's allowed to share, regardless of their pertinent experience or the validity of their advice. BTW, I said the same thing a few weeks back, guess it takes a while for hints to sink in.
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I do try to not be nasty- and it has nothing to do with the original poster- it has to do with the POASERS who come in here and think they have an idea- and there are guys ( I can name them...) that collectively have centurys of experience IN THIS AREA - Painting and the repair work ass'd with it.
Plumbers and Hvac- say out! ( and generals c's that know just a little of too much..)
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Slow down, take your time, use whole words and trust when your web browser tells you that your spelling is a wreck.

Just because someone's in a forum full of people that focus on only one solution doesn't make it the RIGHT solution.
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OK- Like I said to Fix- write out your solution in detail so we can really see the wisdom of your opinion. Do it.
We do.
otherwise it is nothing but hot air.
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