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Old 11-19-2012, 03:04 PM   #1
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I'm repainting the kitchen and one adjacent living room wall. Currently it is a dark red Benjamin Moore satin, seven years old and in fine shape. Thinking of making it dark blue for a change. I'll probably use Valspar satin since I have had good luck with it and have some Lowes gift cards? Do I need to prime first? As my walls are 90% cabinets, I should get two coats out of one gallon.

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A dark color in a kitchen
It's going to show evey spot and look uninviting.
Going to do it anyway, yes I would preprime it with primer that been tinted at least 50% of the color your going for.

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No need to prime. Primer is for a problem, like adhesion. Changing colors from similar paints is not a problem.
But you are going from a premium paint ( assuming BM Regal ) to a very middle of the road paint...
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I agree, no primer. If you use a half tinted blue primer you're starting out from a coverage setback. A dark blue will cover a dark red fine, and far better than it would a medium blue primer. If you use BM Genex colors there really is no longer a primer required when changing colors. Genex tints are superior in terms of hide, coverage. BM says two coats of red only, ever. And it's the reds that have the least hide historically. Genex products, like Aura and Regal Select, are pricier but they save you time and labor, your two biggest expenditures. But you can go with BM BEN, which is probably priced between topline BM and Valspar, closer to Valspar. Pricier products cost more for a reason, they work for you better than lower priced materials. A cheap brush costs you more in time and aggravation in making it work for you than you would spend buying the pricier pro brush, and you'll get better results. The same goes for paint. The goal is to be effective and efficient. Do the best possible job using the least, the optimal, amount of resources. Labor is always your biggest expense and dwarfs materials cost, and not operating from that understanding at the outset is the start of a fools errand. Save the gift certificates for hardware or grass seed.

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A dark color in a kitchen
It's going to show evey spot and look uninviting.
Feh. Every room is different and dark colors can work anywhere. People are just afraid of bold colors for some reason. Especially since, depending on the kitchen, you often don't have too much plain wall space anyway, so any dark color is going to be offset by cabinets, counters, etc.
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The red paint is BM Regal in an eggshell, not satin. I figured the primer would be a step backwards. The dark red has worked fine. I have so many cabinets there is no piece of wall over 18" exposed. The cabinets are a natural stain and I have a ton of lighting so it works quite well.

With credit card rewards, gas points for buying gift cards at the grocery store, and 10% off coupons at Lowes, I can get the Valspar Signature for a net of under $25/gallon. I used it for a couple bedrooms last year and was happy with it.
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Valspar box store brands and Regal are really not in the same league. I know the price is tempting and you have the gift cards but I would save them for something else, and get real paint. Especially so since this is a kitchen and you may want some degree of washability and you are putting a dark color on the walls.

By the way, since the sheen turns out to be an eggshell? I would take 15 minutes and scruff up the surface with some fine grit sanding paper or even the finer side of those 3M sanding blocks. It will help adhesion.
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Sdsester makes a good point. With a dark blue in the kitchen, the Genex would probably be good from a washability standpoint. Splashing water and wet wiping dark colors could leave a finish streaky. This would be more noticeable with blue than red. The darker the color, the more the tint, the softer the finish. And tint never really hardens, it only dries. Genex colorants mix in the vehicle and create what BM calls Color Lock, which from what I'm told creates a harder finish and superior color fastness. We're not pushing BM because we own stock. But, I know that you'll never get the gun out of the hands of those determined to shoot themselves in the foot. Trust our experience, read Brushjockey's signature line. I'm very familiar with it.
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Sdsester makes a good point. With a dark blue in the kitchen, the Genex would probably be good from a washability standpoint. Splashing water and wet wiping dark colors could leave a finish streaky. This would be more noticeable with blue than red. The darker the color, the more the tint, the softer the finish. And tint never really hardens, it only dries. Genex colorants mix in the vehicle and create what BM calls Color Lock, which from what I'm told creates a harder finish and superior color fastness. We're not pushing BM because we own stock. But, I know that you'll never get the gun out of the hands of those determined to shoot themselves in the foot. Trust our experience, read Brushjockey's signature line. I'm very familiar with it.

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I'm repainting the kitchen and one adjacent living room wall. Currently it is a dark red Benjamin Moore satin, seven years old and in fine shape. Thinking of making it dark blue for a change. I'll probably use Valspar satin since I have had good luck with it and have some Lowes gift cards? Do I need to prime first? As my walls are 90% cabinets, I should get two coats out of one gallon.
I wouldn't prime, unless the existing paint is semi-gloss. If that's the case, adhesion could be a problem.
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I wouldn't prime, unless the existing paint is semi-gloss. If that's the case, adhesion could be a problem.

not if you light sand it first
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not if you light sand it first
Tis true.

Our daughter & her husband just bought a craftsman bungalow house. All walls were painted white semi-gloss. Unfortunately, the previous owners had also used - shall we say - "aggressive" texture to cover patches in the plaster. There was no way to reasonably sand it before priming. So we primed...

What grit do you typically use to scuff a semi-gloss finish?
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Tis true.

Our daughter & her husband just bought a craftsman bungalow house. All walls were painted white semi-gloss. Unfortunately, the previous owners had also used - shall we say - "aggressive" texture to cover patches in the plaster. There was no way to reasonably sand it before priming. So we primed...

What grit do you typically use to scuff a semi-gloss finish?
100 will do it

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