Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Painting

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-05-2013, 09:46 PM   #16
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 3,125
Rewards Points: 2,450
Default

Couple of painting questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by kimberland30 View Post
Eggshell or satin will also let you do minor touch ups. I hate flat paint on walls because like BelindaR said, it shows everything and isn't very forgiving.
I think I know what you're saying in that second sentence, but it's a little confusing for others listening. Basically it's backward.

Eggshell or satin shows more flaws on the walls, and is more difficult to do touchups than flat. You had good luck with touching up eggshell that time, but generally flat is much easier.

On the other hand, flat is much more forgiving during application. You can get away with flaws on your walls and in your technique. The problems come later, as it will show dirt and stains more and be more difficult to clean.

jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jeffnc For This Useful Post:
kimberland30 (09-06-2013)
Old 09-05-2013, 09:49 PM   #17
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 3,125
Rewards Points: 2,450
Default

Couple of painting questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyH24 View Post
Lowes brand finish factor rollers were used. Parts of the fuzz or nap from the rollers came off on the walls and when dried left rough spots through out the wall.
Use high quality woven, not knitted, roller covers. Purdy White Dove 3/8" is one good choice. I've never defuzzed them and they never fuzz. Another choice is a good quality micro-fiber. They don't fuzz on me either.

Last edited by jeffnc; 09-05-2013 at 09:56 PM.
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2013, 09:55 PM   #18
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 3,125
Rewards Points: 2,450
Default

Couple of painting questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthewt1970 View Post
Satin will be better than an eggshell for starting and stopping but at all costs cut and roll one wall at a time.
Confused by this since generally satin is higher sheen than eggshell. Flat is better than eggshell for starting and stopping, so presumably eggshell would be better than satin.

ProMar comes in eggshell and SuperPaint comes in satin. Comparing sheen across different paints is apples to oranges, but theoretically SuperPaint would have more sheen.
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2013, 10:28 PM   #19
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: outside ocala fl
Posts: 3,741
Rewards Points: 2,518
Default

Couple of painting questions


I think the part about flat being unforgiving is referring to it's showing smudges and fingerprints and not being very washable.
ToolSeeker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2013, 10:35 PM   #20
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 3,125
Rewards Points: 2,450
Default

Couple of painting questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by ToolSeeker View Post
I think the part about flat being unforgiving is referring to it's showing smudges and fingerprints and not being very washable.
Yes I knew what she meant, but usually when people read "unforgiving" they think "application" - just something about the connotation. Just clearing it up for lurkers.
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2013, 10:58 AM   #21
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 362
Rewards Points: 296
Default

Couple of painting questions


Good clarification, Jeff. Satin in some brands has more sheen than eggshell (it is often between eggshell and semi-gloss), so it will show imperfections. This is especially noticeable if there is a lot of incoming light reflection.
Will22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2013, 04:11 PM   #22
Member
 
Matthewt1970's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,809
Rewards Points: 1,058
Default

Couple of painting questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffnc View Post
Confused by this since generally satin is higher sheen than eggshell. Flat is better than eggshell for starting and stopping, so presumably eggshell would be better than satin.

ProMar comes in eggshell and SuperPaint comes in satin. Comparing sheen across different paints is apples to oranges, but theoretically SuperPaint would have more sheen.
You would think that but it really isn't. I did a touch up last summer where I just cut and rolled out the bottom half of a room with the same satin paint that was used the summer before and it blended prefectly with no flashing. I have always had a lot better luck touching up satin as opposed to eggshell which rarely works.
__________________
Latex Primer: Good for Drywall, that's about it.
Behr Paint: The plastic buckets are good, that's about it.
Matthewt1970 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2013, 04:16 PM   #23
Member
 
Jmayspaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,316
Rewards Points: 500
Default

Couple of painting questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthewt1970

You would think that but it really isn't. I did a touch up last summer where I just cut and rolled out the bottom half of a room with the same satin paint that was used the summer before and it blended prefectly with no flashing. I have always had a lot better luck touching up satin as opposed to eggshell which rarely works.

I've noticed that too. For some reason eggshell paint is generally the worst to flash, and the hardest to touch up. At least that's been the case in the past. Some brands of eggshell are getting better.
I used to work for one builder that absolutely would not use eggshell in the houses he built. Flat or satin, but not eggshell. He had had so many problems with that finish, he just gave up.
Jmayspaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2013, 04:25 PM   #24
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 3,125
Rewards Points: 2,450
Default

Couple of painting questions


Hmmm. I guess I use so little satin, it's something I never noticed myself.
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2013, 09:22 PM   #25
Member
 
kimberland30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 325
Rewards Points: 250
Default

Couple of painting questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffnc View Post
I think I know what you're saying in that second sentence, but it's a little confusing for others listening. Basically it's backward.

Eggshell or satin shows more flaws on the walls, and is more difficult to do touchups than flat. You had good luck with touching up eggshell that time, but generally flat is much easier.

On the other hand, flat is much more forgiving during application. You can get away with flaws on your walls and in your technique. The problems come later, as it will show dirt and stains more and be more difficult to clean.
Sorry, I should have clarified. Flat is the best at touching up. We recommend it in all interior applications because it can be painted over/touched up without flashing. But it SUCKS on a practical level because it will show every fingerprint, smudge, etc. Walk close enough to it and you'll have a mark on your wall.

In our home I only use satin for the walls and semi-gloss for the trim. I even use satin on the ceilings (which apparently is a big no-no but I like it). I've never had a flashing issue when doing touch ups but I also have plaster walls that hide a lot of imperfections. If I had drywall up it would probably be a completely different story.
kimberland30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2013, 10:15 PM   #26
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: outside ocala fl
Posts: 3,741
Rewards Points: 2,518
Default

Couple of painting questions


Satin on the ceiling doesn't sound so bad. I just did a ceiling for a lady in high gloss white. You can't even imagine how that looked.
ToolSeeker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 12:23 PM   #27
Roofmaster
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,668
Rewards Points: 2,094
Default

Couple of painting questions


Flat Super White on the ceiling, Eggshell on the walls. BM. Purdy white dove, 1/2 inch Napp, put roller in zip lock bag if you dont finish in one day. Use the deep, pro roller pan and liners. A lightweight aluminum locking extension pole is great for the ceilings. 2 inch tapered high quality trim brush, and steel edged guide for cutting in. Masking is for robbing banks.
__________________
" A lot of men build things, and a lot of things fall down "

jagans is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jagans For This Useful Post:
AndyH24 (09-07-2013)
Old 09-07-2013, 02:49 PM   #28
Rubbin walls since'79
 
Brushjockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Mn
Posts: 2,518
Rewards Points: 2,000
Default

Couple of painting questions


Speaking of sheens- just want to clarify that different co's use the same terms to mean different things. And even within one co, different product lines will be different in the amount of sheen with the same name.
Be clear what product you are using- and what the sheen actually is.
Satin to SW is COMPLETELY different than satin in BM, for instance.
__________________
"It's better to come here with questions before you screw up than to come here after and ask how to fix them."- JS
Brushjockey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 03:34 PM   #29
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 3,125
Rewards Points: 2,450
Default

Couple of painting questions


My personal preferences are:
- usually 3/8" nap leaves a smoother finish, especially with sheen paints
- rolling up the roller cover in Saran Wrap usually works better than ziploc bag
- 2 1/2" brush is the smallest I'd use for cutting in. Actually I often use 3". Remember, the brush is used sideways, not flat, so the thickness of the brush, not the width, determines how much paint you can put on. If you have a tight space that you can't reach, then use a tiny artist's brush
- neither a steel edged guide nor masking tape needs to be used for most cutting in. However masking the base molding helps, because gravity will try to pull the paint down onto it. Here, there's a 3M tool that lays down blue tape very nicely along the top ridge of the baseboard. Can't think of the model number off the top of my head.
jeffnc is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jeffnc For This Useful Post:
jagans (09-07-2013)
Old 09-07-2013, 04:30 PM   #30
Member
 
Matthewt1970's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,809
Rewards Points: 1,058
Default

Couple of painting questions


Quote:
Originally Posted by Brushjockey View Post
Speaking of sheens- just want to clarify that different co's use the same terms to mean different things. And even within one co, different product lines will be different in the amount of sheen with the same name.
Be clear what product you are using- and what the sheen actually is.
Satin to SW is COMPLETELY different than satin in BM, for instance.
This is true. We did an accent wall in SW eggshell in a room with BM Satin and they had nearly identical sheen. SW seems to have the shinier sheens.

__________________
Latex Primer: Good for Drywall, that's about it.
Behr Paint: The plastic buckets are good, that's about it.
Matthewt1970 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Painting Questions Buzzby Painting 3 04-25-2012 05:10 AM
Basement Reno Take II...A Couple of Questions monsterbash Building & Construction 3 08-25-2010 10:16 PM
new drywall painting questions kupalino Drywall & Plaster 3 08-24-2010 03:20 PM
couple of code questions ponch37300 Electrical 9 01-26-2009 11:45 AM
Painting questions G Archer Painting 3 01-25-2009 07:50 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.