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Old 04-22-2012, 01:42 PM   #31
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Isn't this done yet? Seems like PB's last post summed up both q & A.
Let it go and move on...

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Yes I charge more for the six colors than the two or three When you are using six colors you will buy more material than if it is one color all the way through. Then there is the clean up time, equipment use and what not.

I think that some people see as in this case the 15k as profit and that is not true you have labor, your salary, advertising expenses, insurance, licenses, WC, equipment costs, money put aside for when said equipment needs replaced and the rest of the overhead that is required.

I know times are tight for a lot of people but that does not mean you should expect them to work for free because they should spend more on "building the relationship".
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PaintBird wrote-"I own a business. If the job cost 35k, the contractor must be making anywhere from 10-15k in profit - it just stands to reason. If anything, I would assume even more."

First, 10-15k is a big spread.

But, more to the point I am interested in- if a painting contractor is making 15k on a 35k job that is a pretty tidy return on investment.

Surely you guys aren't banking 40% per job?
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PaintBird wrote-"I own a business. If the job cost 35k, the contractor must be making anywhere from 10-15k in profit - it just stands to reason. If anything, I would assume even more."

First, 10-15k is a big spread.

But, more to the point I am interested in- if a painting contractor is making 15k on a 35k job that is a pretty tidy return on investment.

Surely you guys aren't banking 40% per job?

not me, that's for sure
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And per job profits do not account for expenses that do not get billed to the client like lease payments on vehicle, gas, insurances of varying kinds, and all the other stuff. There is also non project equipment to buy.
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What's the cost of a gallon of paint and primer that standard professional painters use?
That's a pretty broad question.

A gallon of primer can run from $10 to $50. A gallon of paint can run from about $15 to $65+. Shoot, sometimes you can pick up a gallon of "Ooops" paint for about $5.

Most professional painters use the higher-end stuff, and rule-of-thumb is that you'll get 350-400 square feet of coverage per gallon (though there are a LOT of variables that play into that).
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And as I stated very early on, the op is asking a legit question that deserves a legit answer, without any condecending remarks.
Move on with your lives!!
You're right. That is a common problem here.

I know for a fact that there have been honest DIYers who have come here asking honest (and usually pretty elementary & ignorant) questions. They've been brutalized by some regulars who were too busy beating their chests to just give honest answers, and never returned to the forum.

Correct facts can be buried so deeply under BS that all that's seen is the BS.
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I own a business. If the job cost 35k, the contractor must be making anywhere from 10-15k in profit - it just stands to reason. If anything, I would assume even more......
Owning "a business" does not equate to understanding what is involved, the profit percentages, and all the actual costs - of running a legitmate contracting company; overhead, insurance premiums, OSHA training requirements, licensing, certifications, EPA RRP requirements (and costs of PPE), staging/ladders/equipment-maintainence costs, truck repair costs, fuel use, accounting, taxes, payroll service costs, phones, site clean-up, and many other expenses.

Unlike what you have convinced yourself of (which is simply based on your "reasoning" and not on anything real), painters don't make a large profit on residential projects. We have a painting division, and we average (and base estimates on) approx 15% - 20% profit goals, on residential painting contracts.

The largest part of a painting project is the prep work. It can be very labor intensive (and represent the majority of a project cost budget), depending on the scope of work and the EPA RRP requirements.
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Surely you guys aren't banking 40% per job?
And if we are?

So what!
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It's not that you spent $100 for 1 hour of work it's that you saved 10 hours for what I can do in 1 hour.
ain't that the truth. I spent all afternoon on Sunday replacing a 2-gang box with a 3-gang box, and adding a third switch (motion sensor) to the box.

Six NM cables into the box made for a lot of pigtailing. Plus one of the wires was barely long enough so wrangling the box into the wall was a bit of a bear.

No doubt an electrician could have done it in an hour.

I know this is the painting forum, but it's just an example of the truth of your statement. DIY takes a lot longer due to lack of skill and practice.
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And if we are?

So what!
If you are, I say good for you.

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