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Old 01-31-2008, 04:42 PM   #121
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When my wife and I bought our house we bought all Behr for the kitchen, dining room, and both bedrooms. Painted the Dining first, cold night had a lot of drips, blamed it on the cold and my own neglect because I was doing it at 1am. The kitchen didn't turn out to great either because it was impossible to cut in with due to the thickness. So after this I still had paint for our bedroom and the ENTIRE UPSTAIRS already purchased. SO far I have painted everything but the office upstairs using the behr paint, not because I like it but because im stubborn and I refuse to throw it out!

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Old 01-31-2008, 07:00 PM   #122
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Just a quick note, the newest Consumer Reports is out and in the first page of the article it states that Behr has been replaced as one of the best paints by Valspar, Benjamin Moore, and Kilz I think. PS...I'd be pretty wary of the Kilz, but I agree with the others.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:14 AM   #123
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Kilz is okay but I find that unless I thin it a bit with water and add a goodly amount of Floetrol, it's too thick and it sets up way too quickly. Tough to work with outdoors here in AZ. I prefer to use the Bullseye 1-2-3 waterbase or B-I-N primer with shellac in it wherever it's practical. Glidden's Gripper is pretty good but it also tends to set up too quickly. However, top coats DO stick very well to it.
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We painted our bedroom with Behr, although it was very viscous we used a very dark color on top of a light color and needed only one coat. Ok, maybe it really should have had two but it looks pretty darn good with one. We recently finished priming our newly drywalled basement and used SW Preprite 400 primer which was terrible and I paid $25 a gal. Not only did it not cover worth a hoot but it had lots of coagulated stringies that needed to be constantly wiped off the wall, may have been from the 5 gal can?. I don't think I could have picked a worse primer. We used some Preprite 200 in another room and it was much much better. We Just finished painting one room an off white on top of the white primer using Classic 99 Satin. The coverage was terrible and it will need another coat. I bought Classic 99 flat to paint the ceiling, which is going to be a fairly dark color. I'm a little worried about that. For the main room we are going to go with the Super paint satin in a light beige. I wonder if I had used the Super Paint in the one room if I woul dbe needing the second coat?
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We painted our bedroom with Behr, although it was very viscous we used a very dark color on top of a light color and needed only one coat. Ok, maybe it really should have had two but it looks pretty darn good with one. We recently finished priming our newly drywalled basement and used SW Preprite 400 primer which was terrible and I paid $25 a gal. Not only did it not cover worth a hoot but it had lots of coagulated stringies that needed to be constantly wiped off the wall, may have been from the 5 gal can?. I don't think I could have picked a worse primer. We used some Preprite 200 in another room and it was much much better. We Just finished painting one room an off white on top of the white primer using Classic 99 Satin. The coverage was terrible and it will need another coat. I bought Classic 99 flat to paint the ceiling, which is going to be a fairly dark color. I'm a little worried about that. For the main room we are going to go with the Super paint satin in a light beige. I wonder if I had used the Super Paint in the one room if I woul dbe needing the second coat?
I don't know why, and its certainly not your fault, but you seem to be purchasing Commercial type products. One thing to remember with primers is that they are designed to do much more than hide, and in some instances, they may not hide well at all because they are there for the sealing properties. I would go with SuperPaint for your future endeavors. Classic 99 is extremely old technology.
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Behr was ranked #1 (Home Depot) in paint by comsumer reports. Kilz paint was ranked #2 (Wal-Mart). Both companies are owned by Masco Corporation; and both are great primers. I used Behr for my office and bedroom. The key with paint is to always primer.
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Behr was ranked #1 (Home Depot) in paint by comsumer reports. Kilz paint was ranked #2 (Wal-Mart). Both companies are owned by Masco Corporation; and both are great primers. I used Behr for my office and bedroom. The key with paint is to always primer.
The latest report had a lot of paints number one. It depends on the finish, and I'm not sure what is meant by both are great primers. Standard repaints usually don't need primers.
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I'm not a fan of Behr or Kilz but I do have occasion to use them, such as if my customer already has the Behr or used a particular Behr custom colr that I have to go out and match. I think that if you're the average homeowner, you spend more actual hands-on time painting a room or whatever than a professional would and you're more patient throughout the process - after all, it's your very own patch of paradise - and you're expectations are going to be different as a non-pro. You're not making your living doing it day-in and day-out, month-after-month.

I'm not a professional painter by trade but I'm still a professional and if, after all is said and done, my customer's happy with the color and the finished product, who am I to say otherwise? They know I didn't make the paint. To sum it up, it's all relevant to one's expectations.
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I was thinking the same thing yesterday while painting: I am a "professional homeowner", and I actually care how it turns out. $140 worth of Sherwin Willams Preprite 400 and mixed flat red. I was hating how bad the primer was going on and the color shade didn't turn out like the sample we wanted. This morning I was blown away at how it turned out. Way better than the Behr, Ralph Lauren, and whatever custom junk the PO had up on the walls. It did roll on nicer than I've ever seen paint lay. 3 coats and a coat of primer - nice and even, and none of the gloss chocolate underneath is bleeding through. I think we will go ahead and spend the extra $10-15 per gallon for results like this.
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Hey all I posted on 1/15/08 at 11:57 AM (post 103) and I was insistent that Behr was just fine. I had used Behr on my entire house. I never had any issues with it. I am a very meticulous painter. I noticed that the common "best brand" was Benajmin Moore, so I thought I'd give it a try to see what the fuss was about. I painted the nursery for my unborn child last night using Benjamin Moore paint. I used the flalt on the ceiling and the matte finish on the walls. I must admit that like it a lot more than Behr. It went on much more smooth, less splatter and the drying time was a bit faster, which made putting the second coat on much easier. I wake up this morning and the finish is amazing. I'm definately a BM fan now. I'm not so sure it it's worth $40 vs. $20 (Behr) per gallon, but I bet I can convince my wife of it!
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I went ahead and picked up some Behr Premium for a "small job" the wife wanted done. It was on sale (stupid rebate) and I had time to waste to have it mixed. It was thick, not too bad. It had trouble sticking to the white base underneath. Drying time was supposed to be 2 hours, but was more like 4. This morning I put the original sample next to it...not even close.

You get what you pay for, and a lot more headaches.

UPDATE: This stuff is still sticky and it started to peel at the edges. Hopefully Home depot will honor a refund.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:29 AM   #132
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I would appreciate any info on priming interior walls. I'm planning to use a bright red latex paint. I watch a lot of HGTV and on their shows, they say to use a tinted primer (the color of the paint) so that you will only need one coat. Someone told me to use a grey primer which will still require two coats. I'm really confused. Should I just use three coats of paint and forget the primer?

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Its not just about the primer being tinted It's also just as important as how you apply it.

I normally work in 3ft areas while using a deep base color making sure after I apply the paing I work and spread it evenly in this area and then lay it off in one direction a down strock from ceiling to floor is easyer to touch up then if your final strock is up. and just follow these steps until your done.
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i used to only buy Finneran & Haley ( or something like that ) . Not sure if that company even exists anymore, but i LOVED everything about it. I used the Behr from HD and the Glidden from Lowes and while i am not a fan of either, I'll take anybrand over the Glidden from Lowes, that was hands down the worst i've ever used. Out of all the big box paint I've tried, the Ralph Laureen stuff at Depot made me happiest. Maybe it's the same Behr product with a different label, maybe i used better brushes and rollers, but for some reason it covered a lot better than the other stuff i've tried from the big box stores
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I used Behr, once...... and never again I did take the time to find out how to make it work for me It didnt help that it was an innert base, Ivy leage Green, I will never forget. but the product in not a nice one professionally speaking.

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George I agree with you in a sense. A professional painter can and will make the best out of any paint but I donít understand why a professional would want to use or recommend anything but the best products. The ease of application, the quality of the cured finish, the eye appeal. All of these are what being a professional is all about.

Iíve slung paint since 1979. I guess youíd have to understand the art of painting to get anything out of this but I truly love to paint on most days. Put me in front of a group of people and Iíll enchant them with my performance. Give me professional tools and paint, Iíll give you a superior finished surface at lightning speed. The tool and paint become an extension of you. Be the paint.

Iím also a perfectionist. I varnish my brush handles. I soap up the heels before dipping them in paint. I clean a brush Iíve owned forever two, or three times a day to give it the respect a good brush deserves. My drop clothes stay in immaculate condition because I know the power of a good piece of straight edge cardboard. When I roll a ceiling the only drip I may get and I do say ďmayĒ is from the roller frame not my professional grade sheep skin nap. Give me a deep color to cut in against a difficult edge. Iíll put on my (Petzl E43P2 Tikka LED Headlamp) and have that edge as straight as an arrow. At the end of the day Iím clean, my tools are clean and the client is bedazzled. I canít tell you how many times Iíve had clients comment on my performance and Iím happy when it gets noticed. Thatís what itís all about for me.

I see so many applicators today making their jobs miserable, wasting time and grumbling about having to throw paint on day after day. I look at their tools and paint labels. If they only took the time to invest in quality products theyíd find work much more enjoyable. It doesnít have to cost a fortune and the investment pays for itself in so many different ways.

Iím sorry George but your opinions here thus far take me back to the years when I was simply an applicator that didnít know the difference.

I almost cringe at having to type these two words together. ďBehr PaintsĒ is atrocious, horrendous, over rated cheap junk sold to consumers by the devil himself. Opening the lid releases little paint demons that frolic in your head telling you to subscribe to consumer report. Come to the ďChurch of the Immaculate ArtistĒ George. :D Come to the light. Let us exorcise you of these familiar spirits and weíll have a killer weenie roast afterwards.

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Hey all

This is my first post. Yes I do work for HD. I've recently started painting. I chose behr eggshell for my Hallway. After about three days I noticed the corners of the HW are somewhat glossy. (I have not finished yet, trim and ceiling need to be finished) the old paint job was glidden spread ultra semi gloss on virtually everything. After reading the latest CP on int. paints in noticed the poor rating for gloss change....

But I will sorta defend behr's int/ext product. 100% acrylic formula with Titanium oxide for the filler. White base has 3.2 lb of Ti oxide, pastel base has 2.5lb of Ti oxide, accent has 1 lb of Ti oxide. deep base has no Ti oxide.

With other paints companies I have seen fillers such as kaolin, clay, talc, calcium carbonate, ethanol, propanic acid, ether, silica, Contents partially unknown, paraffin oil, and something called "trade secret" whatever that may be. These fillers are used to make paints cheaper to manufacture.
Why would you want to use a product with excessive fillers in them?

Gotta go for now. I'll check back in a couple of days for feedback.

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