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Old 01-21-2008, 05:57 AM   #106
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Behr can work OK in best case scenarios
I know this because I've used it
Many times
It still has it's problems, believe me
It is hard to work with, that means it takes longer
It doesn't cover well, that means it takes longer and need more coats...and takes more time (therefore costs me more money)
And frankly the finish simply isn't that good

Well said.

So if it's a $1000 job with me including premium quality paints, it's $1300-$1500 (depending) plus paint, if they want the Behr
The stuff is just that bad

Again,well said. For me,I just walk away if home owner insists on Behr,to me it's just that bad and I don't need any more stress.
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:50 AM   #107
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My husband and I are in the midst of a complete renovation of our house. We normally use Benjamin Moore paint but HD was having a sale on Behr so we bought the primer and the ceiling paint. Is the primer okay to use, and then use the BM on the walls for the actual color? We really wanted to start painting today and I don't want to have to deal with returning all these cans and going to the paint store.

We bought the stain-blocking primer, because we have new sheet rock walls and the lady at HD said it would cover the tape better.

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My husband and I are in the midst of a complete renovation of our house. We normally use Benjamin Moore paint but HD was having a sale on Behr so we bought the primer and the ceiling paint. Is the primer okay to use, and then use the BM on the walls for the actual color? We really wanted to start painting today and I don't want to have to deal with returning all these cans and going to the paint store.

We bought the stain-blocking primer, because we have new sheet rock walls and the lady at HD said it would cover the tape better.

Thanks.
That's an excellent question. The HD paint should probably do half-way okay for the ceilings, as those usually don't need the world's finest paint.

How well will the primer work for your walls? Couldn't say. I don't remember seeing too many folks here asking about Behr primer.

As a side note, this is another excellent reason not to get paint advice from a Big Box store. The finest kind of primer for new drywall is drywall sealer. If there are no stains, there is no reason to get a stain blocking primer. (Drywall sealers are often cheaper.) That said, the stain blocking primer will likely perform the same function as the drywall sealer, assuming it is not otherwise low-quality stuff. (Not necessarily a safe assumption.)

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Old 01-22-2008, 02:16 PM   #109
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Although we saved a few dollars in buying Behr paints when it was on sale, we painted our entire house over the last 4 years. The colours were acceptable, but i wouldn't say they were good to withstand any kind of beating - I've had to repaint some scratch marks here and there.

On the other hand, my mother's condo was painted with Benjamin Moore 15 years ago (early 1990s). Only last year did she decide to do a repaint. It didn't even require one, but she wanted a change in colour.

My conclusion: spend more and get the long lasting results of Benjamin Moore.
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So if it's a $1000 job with me including premium quality paints, it's $1300-$1500 (depending) plus paint, if they want the Behr
The stuff is just that bad
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For me,I just walk away if home owner insists on Behr,to me it's just that bad and I don't need any more stress.
Essentially, the result is (effectively) the same with my aproach
When faced with this scenario, usually the H/O will not choose the more expensive option (and hopefully begin to see the light), or they will find someone who won't charge extra for Behr
Usually it is the former rather than the latter
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Thanks sirwired! Well, we got two coats of the primer on the bathroom walls (figured we'd start with small rooms) and it looked okay. We'll have to see what it really looks like it in the daylight.

But we're definitely switching to Ben Moore for the actual color on the walls...just don't want the aggravation and have already spent lots of $$ renovating...don't want to ruin it all with a bad paint job!

Thanks again!

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Ironically, I was doing some touchups with some old Behr paint I had (from the original wall colour from one year ago), and after a year the reflectiveness is not the same! So even after stirring very well, there is a noticeable dullness in the touchup area!

Benjamin Moore pretty much provides a lasting effect in high traffic areas, so you typically won't have to touch up much at all. That is the bonus of it.
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Behr is a top of the line paint no doubt about it,however professionals and even DIY people get used to a certain brand of paint and stick by what works for them.....paint brand preference is a heated subject with a lot of people, some people swear by BM, or Pitt, SW, or Valspar but most of the time it all comes down to what you are comfortable using. Behr is a fairly thick paint and is not the greatest leveling paint, but for hyde it is one of the tops, again my opinion. As far as one coat coverage goes I will have to disagree with some of the posts stating "No Paint is one coat coverage" that question has to be answered IT DEPENDS....IE what color are you using (light or dark) MOST dark colors are not going to cover in one coat. Second are you painting over a primed and prepared surface, if so a LOT of the premium paints will cover in 1 coat especially if you are rolling and keep a loaded nap, but that being said some colors you are going to "work for" to get the true color, especially your reds. You could never say NO paint covers in one coat ever b/c that would be false it is always "it depends". Lastly I have been using Kilz Casual Colors who is fairly new to the painting world (been making Primers forever) but is an outstanding paint for hyde and durability, and has become a favorite of mine. Again this is my opinion and I feel sure this thread will continue forever on why Behr or BM, or Kilz Casual Colors is the greatest paint, but for a DIY it is best to try several reputable premium paints and find out what works best for them, just b/c I like Kilz Casual Colors or Charlie likes BM does not make either one crap.
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You said that Behr is a fairly thick paint, and prone to brush marks. Why on earth would you ever use it then? There are plenty of wall paints on the market that will go on smoother, not be prone to brush marks, and hide just great! Sounds like that Behr paint, has viscosity issues, an open time too short, and poor leveling.

The biggest issue is consistency; as SlickShift has explained several times, BigBoxCo paint just isn't consistent enough. Even a relatively small failure rate (5-10%) would be a business-killing disaster for a pro. (Failure being defined as adhesion issues, sheen problems, coverage problems, brush marks, roller marks, consistency problems, extended dry time, too-short open time, etc.) For an extra couple of dollars a gallon for good paint at a local paint store, those failure issues, and the massive labor associated with them, largely go away.

While I am not a pro, my time is still valuable, and piling on yet another coat of paint, or even worse, scraping off a failed one, is not my idea of a good way to spend a weekend.

As many folks have said here, if it would save pros money (and therefore increase profit), they would all be buying paints at BigBoxCo. I don't remember EVER seeing a pro painter picking up a few fivers at my local HD. I don't know too many businessmen that would turn down a chance to increase profit... it can't all be explained by brand loyalty.

For a job I would be proud of, not even the flagship products from the finest paint companies in the world will produce something I would leave after just a single coat. If you are going to go through all the tedious prep work to get ready to paint, why leave off at just one coat? The prep work for a quality job (repairs, cleaning, spot-priming, masking, drop clothing, etc.) almost always takes far longer than the work for a second coat. For a color change, "pinholes" in the finished job are pretty much inevitable, even with good paint, if you leave off with a single coat.

Yeah, I suppose that for a cheap, non-color-change rehab job, you could "freshen up" the paint with a single coat of mid-grade paint, but if I am going to live there, why cheap out?

SirWired

P.S. As a random side note, Behr, Kilz, and Kilz Casual colors are all made by Masco Corporation Decorative Architectural Products. Not that the manufacturer of a paint makes a whole lot of difference. Most (though not all) paint companies make really good paint, and really lousy paint, SW and BM included.
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Good post Sirwired.....If experiences you have had or as I have seen a ton of people have had with Behr prevents you from using the brand then I have to respect your professional opinions, but I am only speaking from my experiences with Behr....Yes its thick and no it is not the greatest leveling paint out, but there are problems with EVERY paint no paint is flawless and my point is people are loyal to that particular brand b/c they have not had as many issues with there chosen brand as Behr. But in my personal case I have done many successful jobs with Behr, but do not like BM at all....mainly b/c the BM has had some fading issues with several BM jobs so I prefer not to use this brand, but I sure do not say this paint is crap.....it has a huge following and thats great, use what works for you is my main point, and if that is not loyalty I will use preferred brands. And I have seen MANY pros use Behr paint and only use their product and actually did a job last week with Behr so Professional use and just a side note if you make a relationship with HD store manager prices are very competitive with SW. I do not let customers dictate what kind of paint I use either, but if it is a paint I have used and I know have a solid and reputable backing then why not please your customer. Now that said there are customers who just want you to slap a coat and that does not fly....I have to have used it and had success. Lastly I know very well there is no magic one coat paint, but there are paints the average homeowner can use on a primed and prepped surface and get a very very nice job. So one coat is absolutely possible for a DIYr.

Oh yeah about Masco owning Behr and Masterchem Industries who makes the kilz casual colors and kilz primers....look up Masco on their website www.masco .com and go to their companies you will see Behr process and Masterchem Industries who makes kilz primer and kilz casual colors.
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Old 01-25-2008, 04:59 AM   #116
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And I have seen MANY pros use Behr paint and only use their product and actually did a job last week with Behr so

Name just (2) two.
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Chris,

Have you used their paint lately?? I am assuming no, but they actually have a great high gloss sheen that finishes better than any HG I have seen.....eventhough there are not many HG on the market that I know of this really does leave a nice shine. And to answer your question I have used this product Many times so that is number one.....and number 2.....look around on this message board I promise you will find that number 2 pro that has used the product successfully. I know you do not like the product and thats ok...but MANY people obviously do it sells pretty well last I heard.
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I'm no paint expert but I happen to like Behr paint. I also like Kilz (Walmart) and American Traditions (Lowes). I have all three brands on my walls and haven't had any problems with them. Maybe one day I'll venture away from my comfort zone of buying "cheap" paint (as opposed to BM, SW, etc) but for me it works and that's fine with me.

We are using Behr in our den right now. We used two coats of Behr primer on our paneling walls, and two coats of the color. It painted smoothly and looks great. Yesterday while scrubbing brick, I made a hot mess all over the wall adjacent to the brick. The residue came off fine and no damage to the paint at all.

One paint I absolutely will never buy is Ace Hardware brand. It SUCKS. I painted trim with it in our guest room, and the crap just PEELED off after it dried. I also painted furniture with it with the same result. I ended up having to sand everything down and repainting (I used American Traditions) and it turned out fine. Even with heavy use, it's held up great.
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Sirwired, you have a pm.

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first off this my first trip to the painting forums and when i saw this thread, i just had to post my experience w/ Behr.

We used Behr a couple years ago to paint our kitchen. We did a deep tomato red. The color we were painting over was a light taupe, so we kned going in, we would need a colored primer to cover the much lighter color.
we used a Behr tinted (the same color) primer and then 5 coats of the red we chose. 6 coats total? We were to the point that we hated the Behr paints. And yes we knew since we were going red it would take more coats.
but that was insane.

Since then we have used the American Traditions from Lowes for our 3 bathrooms and theater room. Using the AT paint 2 coats was perfect. Usually the AT is around $22 for a gallon and i don't believe the Behr was any cheaper.

Needless to say, we will NEVER use Behr again!
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