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Old 01-24-2010, 02:35 PM   #301
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Next time you might try the Behr All-in-One primer/paint. According to the Behr rep the primer is a little thinner than the top coat. This causes it to rise to the top half of the can so when you start painting you are putting on primer. When you get to the bottom half of the can you can start putting on the top coat. Pretty ingenious, huh?
It is. But I must say even Sherwin Williams tries to sell the same primer/paint combo concept and it drives me bonkers because they haven't a clue as to what they are doing. Like my Benjamin Moore dealer they don't even think twice about sticking cans on the shaker and you cannot do that with the combo products for the reasons you mention. If you mix the layers you end up having to put on a real primer and two finish coats.

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Next time you might try the Behr All-in-One primer/paint. According to the Behr rep the primer is a little thinner than the top coat. This causes it to rise to the top half of the can so when you start painting you are putting on primer. When you get to the bottom half of the can you can start putting on the top coat. Pretty ingenious, huh?
Where is that 'flip off' emoticon???
yeah. what a joke. Just hope your painting project requires exactly the top half to prime and the left-overs for a top coat.

I actually had a client that wanted to save money and paint everything themselves use the All-in-one... needless to say, I took way too much pride in my work and spent too much time getting trim joints and corners beautiful, and all the caulking perfect... they ended up buggering everthing up with their All-in-One paint job and i could've hacked up the job and saved a lot of time for the same end result.

I'm definitely not ever using Behr products again. Still gotta go straighten out this paint fiasco tomorrow... working for free the next two days!
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Wow read all 7 pages of this thread (my default view is 50 posts per page).

I'd like to say that, I doubt that some of you arrogant* pros have used truly awful paint. Monarch comes to mind, my first two houses were painted with it. It's cheap, but it has the worst coverage I have ever seen. It has problems covering clean walls that were originally painted the exact same color with Monarch paint...

Yes, I agree that BM &SW are top of the line, but for most people Behr is not that bad. I'd rate it middle of the road. If you are expecting museum like paint results then you should definitely swallow the extra costs and use BM/SW.

After all, a lot of suburban America lives in tract home developments where the build quality is astonishingly poor, and people take it. Why would they be that picky about their paint?

(*a lot of the posts on this thread are pure piling on...you know who you are)

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Furthermore, I was challenged in another thread that the bit about Behr being the top selling paint in America was a claim straight from HD marketing. Given the scope and reach of Home Depot stores, is there any reason to doubt them? I bet the HD paint department at a busy suburban store sells more paint on a Saturday morning than your average BM dealer sells in a month.
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Furthermore, I was challenged in another thread that the bit about Behr being the top selling paint in America was a claim straight from HD marketing. Given the scope and reach of Home Depot stores, is there any reason to doubt them? I bet the HD paint department at a busy suburban store sells more paint on a Saturday morning than your average BM dealer sells in a month.
There's no question about it. Their Consumer Reports rating has propelled them to new heights. Just because something's popular doesn't make it good. For instance, I remember this cheerleader in high school that.............................................. .....................................
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Just because something's popular doesn't make it good.
I never claimed that. In the post prior to the one you responded to, I said it was middle of the road, and that BM/SW were of a higher quality.

However, I have no reason to doubt that Behr probably sells the most paint. The paint counters at most HD stores are pretty busy.

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I wouldn't mind it if the stuff didn't sag/fall off the wall with the thinnest of coats. Their solid latex deck/fence stain is TRULY the worst thing on the market.
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I never claimed that. In the post prior to the one you responded to, I said it was middle of the road, and that BM/SW were of a higher quality.

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I have no reason to doubt that Behr probably sells the most paint.
The paint counters at most HD stores are pretty busy.
Why does Behr sell the most paint? Is it because Behr paint is the best paint product available in the $22.00 to $28.00 per gallon price? Consumer Report magazine believes this to be true and has endorsed this product. The majority of professional painters believe the consumer report findings to be erroneous based on substantial field testing with numerous paint products.

Either Behr paint is truly what Consumer Reports states it to be or it is not. The fact that droves of consumers flock to Home Depot to purchase the product based on the third party recommendation of Consumer Reports means zilch in qualifying the necessary data to validate the product.

The real issue here is truth in advertising, and to what degree Consumer Report magazine is qualified to make such large boasts regarding a paint product.

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Most people are not discerning enough to know the difference between a $25/gal paint and a $50/gal paint. And in most of the uses that people have for paint, Behr performs well enough to satisfy them. And it's easy to pick up paint at HD when you're already there for 5 other unrelated items.

As for Consumer Reports, I don't believe their data to be scientific in many areas.
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Most people are not discerning enough to know the difference between a $25/gal paint and a $50/gal paint. And in most of the uses that people have for paint, Behr performs well enough to satisfy them. And it's easy to pick up paint at HD when you're already there for 5 other unrelated items.
And there friends is the business model in a nutshell. HD (and the others) knows it can pawn off everything from poorly manufactured plumbing valves and cheap plastic power tools to crappy paint, sold on advice of a minimum wage employee who know nothing about using the products, to a population that increasingly will claim ignorance of quality difference, or even if knowing of such things, will buy them because it is most CONVENIENT. God help us all. Given what it is now, ever think about the quality level that will be available if the box stores are all that is left?

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And there friends is the business model in a nutshell. HD (and the others) knows it can pawn off everything from poorly manufactured plumbing valves and cheap plastic power tools to crappy paint, sold on advice of a minimum wage employee who know nothing about using the products, to a population that increasingly will claim ignorance of quality difference, or even if knowing of such things, will buy them because it is most CONVENIENT. God help us all. Given what it is now, ever think about the quality level that will be available if the box stores are all that is left?

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or even if knowing of such things, will buy them because it is most CONVENIENT.
True, but that sentiment goes way beyond paint. Everyone is trying to do more with less. Businesses are trying to squeeze that last penny of profit out of every product. People are buying the biggest house they can afford. Employees are acessible 24 hours via email through their BlackBerries, iPhones, et al. Kids are getting involved in 5 different after school activities. LIFE IS HECTIC! Ergo, people value convenience over all other factors, because they don't have the time to be educated about what is truly the best. They only value that which is good enough and convenient to purchase.

So, into this market falls Behr paint. HD has already put a store in every suburb in America practically, so it's convenient to go there in the first place. Then they have a paint counter with a plethora of different options. And assuming that the counter is staffed appropriately (it usually is at my local HD), you can get in and out quickly with your paint. There's probably a Starbucks in the same shopping center, and a Bed Bath N Beyond, and a PetSmart. So you stop at the HD, pick up a latte at Starbucks, pick up some new hand towels for the wifey at Bed Bath and Beyond, and pick up Fido's designer dog food at PetSmart. Bam, all the errands done in 90 minutes, and better yet you're only three miles from home. Now you can go home and paint all afternoon, you've got your paint, your energy boost, the wife is happy and the dog is happy. So you end up having to cut in the corners 4 times. Eh, you got the game on and a cold Bud in your hand with the paintbrush in the other, what does it matter?

Not much, apparently.

I have to agree with them. HD just built a brand new store in my urban neighborhood, on the grounds of the old airport that has now moved outside town. They were the first business to come into this space, which means something to me as they invested in my rapidly changing (gentrifying?) neighborhood. They're also super convenient for me to get to and from. They have hours that are convenient to my schedule (Benjamin Moore stores around here are open 7a-5p, not convenient at all for me) The paint that I roll on seems to have decent coverage. The brushed on paint sags, but I just go around the edges a couple more times than I might otherwise do. But that's ok, my walls look like crap anyways due to my once sagging and now repaired foundation. It would be a waste of my money to put Benjamin Moore paint on the interior walls. At least for now. I have gutted my interior downstairs as part of my current project, so maybe now I will be a bit more discerning on paint on my new walls. Once I get them up that is.

Now, I will probably use high end paint on the exterior, because I want it to last a long time.

YMMV.

One other thing. Maybe folks are not aware, but the purpose of management at any publicly traded company is not to insure great customer service or fantastic product, it is to maximize shareholder value. If marketing a paint as "premium" that is really just "good enough" works for the company and makes them extra profit margin, along with happy customers, they have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to do it that way. In the end, it's a numbers game. The only way they're going to improve their product is if people stop buying it en mass. Don't see that happening.
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Sadly [Brons2], you are exactly right....
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The only way they're going to improve their product is if people stop buying it en mass. Don't see that happening.
It is my firm belief that the general populace is nothing but cattle... follow the masses, make sure you don't stand out from the crowd, eat what they're feeding you, and as long as your belly's full, you won't think and will stay in line. this applies to politics, social issues, education system, work force, and religion.... and don't even get me started on the media and 'celebrity' sway of 'public opinions'

two all-time favorite quotes.... from Albert Einstein~

"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education."
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"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." ... so true and sad... and much of what is wrong with the state of the world...


threads getting kinda heavy for a mediocre paint!

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