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Old 12-19-2008, 07:16 PM   #166
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I havent used very many types of paint.
Mostly Behr, it is thick and I thought this was good. thicker coverage less coats....
That's funny.

We have actually done side by side, wall to wall, & room to room comparisons with Behr and Premium paints like Sherwin Williams and Ben Moore. We have done this in front of Home Owners too.
We, and the Home Owners, have consistently found the Behr paints thinner than the premium paints, and requiring more applied coats to get the same coverage as the premium paints.
That equaled = more paint + more labor.

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Old 12-19-2008, 07:38 PM   #167
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Those other paint must be awful thick. I used Glidden and it was a lot thinner than Behr. I dont know if I would want any thicker, I think that is why I have roller mark problems.
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:09 PM   #168
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Mostly Behr,

I do have a lot of trouble with roller marks.

The trim usually turns out well but I ave trouble changing colors.

I have trouble with the walls.


I'd suggest your problem and solution lies in the lines you have written
There's a lot of "trouble" and only one type of paint listed
(hint: the quality of paint is one of the three top reasons for roller marks)
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I'd suggest your problem and solution lies in the lines you have written
There's a lot of "trouble" and only one type of paint listed
(hint: the quality of paint is one of the three top reasons for roller marks)
Are you more likley to get roller marks with thick or thinner paint?
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:43 PM   #170
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It's not the thickness or thinness, it's the other more subtle things like the leveling ability of the coating

Quality of roller sleeve and technique are the other two biggest factors
A poor quality roller sleeve can also leave marks
And the common mistake of trying to squeeze the paint out of the sleeve rather than just applying it also can be a major cause
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:15 PM   #171
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Gotta agree with slickshift on this one. Poor technique and cheap rollers covers are the leading cause of roller marks.

I find most DIYers tend to apply to much pressure to the roller as they are painting, thus leaving roller marks. A good quality roller cover should require minimal pressure, just consistent, smooth strokes.
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I’m not a contractor anymore. I’m employed by a decorator and run the painting department for the company. She has 5 other decorators in the company and they all know what to look for in the finish appearance. If I used Behr paints I know they’d see a few of the problems I mentioned above.
Well, you may be a great painter, but you're not putting yourself in the customer's shoes.

If, for example, you decided you wanted to learn to play the piano, would you go out and buy a new $15,000 Heintzman? No, you would shop around for a fairly inexpensive piano, wouldn't you? And, you really couldn't tell if that piano was in tune or not. So, what you'd be looking for was the best "value" in a piano that you could find. That is, the most piano for the fewest bucks.

Isn't it exactly the same thing with DIY'ers buying paint? They know squat about paint. So far as they're concerned, if the paint changes the wall to the right colour, that's really all that matters.

It's like that with everything. A roofer swinging a hammer all day long will soon learn to appreciate the subtle differences in balance and vibration between a $45 Estwing hammer and a $4 China Special. A judge at the Westminister Kennel Club dog show could tell the difference between a purebred beagle that was an excellent example of the characteristics of the breed, and one that was merely a purebred. So far as I'm concerned, any dog that doesn't take a dump on my carpet is a good dog.

You're failing to recognize that there are differences between paints that you can appreciate that non-painter's can't or, more probably, don't really care about. To them, if the paint is the right colour, that's about all that matters. A little difference in gloss here and there... so what? The fact that it spatters all over the floor... all paints spatter. And besides, we probably saved a few hundred doing the job ourselves with the helpful advice of the guy in the orange apron.

If Home Depot's customers are happy with the Behr paint they're buying, and part of the reason they're happy with that Behr paint is because it costs half of what better paints cost, then who are we to criticize Behr for not making better paint?
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Old 12-20-2008, 04:50 AM   #173
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So far as I'm concerned, any dog that doesn't take a dump on my carpet is a good dog.

I like it!
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i usually go to the local biglots (or pic-n-save) and buy gallons of whatever for $5 a gallon as i usually only paint small areas....$20 to $50 a gallon is ridiculous IMHO.... and THEY usually have good brands too! simple and cheap... that's me....

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More times than not the Behr paint will be thick because it sat on a shelf for too long and people just grab them off the shelf and take them home. Any paint needs a good shake prior to use and the good paint stores will do that for you.
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More times than not the Behr paint will be thick because it sat on a shelf for too long and people just grab them off the shelf and take them home. Any paint needs a good shake prior to use and the good paint stores will do that for you.
Mine is aways shaken. So far I have used only cutom colors.
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Yep...
Slick & Jensen nailed this one!!!!

Even a "middling" paint can look good with a great-quality roller-sleeve AND good "Laying-off" technique/pressure.
...meaning...most DIY-ers (and some "Pros") are guilty of pushing paint too thin.

That's why the (GOOD) sleeves have a definate taper near the end.
This helps prevents a "squarer"-edge leaving a ridge...IF correct LIGHT pressure is used.

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Old 12-21-2008, 05:31 PM   #178
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Yep...
Slick & Jensen nailed this one!!!!

That's why the (GOOD) sleeves have a definate taper near the end.
This helps prevents a "squarer"-edge leaving a ridge...IF correct LIGHT pressure is used.

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How does Valspar paint stack up?
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Valspar does not have a rep here to be as unremittingly awful as Behr, but nothing to be excited about either. And the help at Lowes is pretty similar to the help at Home Depot: luck-of-the-draw, and mostly bad. There is no compelling reason I can think of to use anything but paint-store paint. If you can't afford the good stuff, the paint store has some cheap swill they can sell too. It's just as bad as the cheap swill at Big Box (Big Boxes sell nothing else), but at least the paint store is honest about it.

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