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Old 06-01-2009, 07:37 AM   #1
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What is the advantage of using the TSP rather than Dawn and Lysol to clean walls after paper removal. This will be done after removing the glue residue.
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TSP really cuts the grease... Be sure to rinse it well. If this is in an area that is not susseptable to grease consider just using warm water to remove all the wall paper glue. If you use TSP you still would do well to get all the glue off with warm water before using the TSP. Be sure to use a primer specially made this situation.

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Just use whatever wall paper removal solution to remove the residual PASTE, rinse well and prime with GARDZ


http://www.zinsser.co.nz/wtb-GARDZ.asp?SID=11&WID=27
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Please help me with the primer. What's the main difference between Guardz and 123 or any other Zinsser primer. 123 and a few others seem to be readily available, but not the Guardz. I found one can locally and it may have been with their first inventory shipment ...employee said they don't sell it. Bare plaster walls with some repairs. (The paper I just stripped was the original put on in 1913. Of course under another 100 layers of paint and paper). Looks like a lot of repairs will be needed around windows and all the corners. I have 6 corners in this room due to the mantle/fireplace being in a corner between two walls creating another set of corners, lol. Hope that makes sense. Anyway, why the Guardz vs 123 ?
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is a unique water-base sealer for porous and potential problem surfaces. It is formulated to deeply penetrate and dry to a hard, moisture resistant film that seals and binds down porous, chalky and crumbling surfaces, paints and texture finishes. GARDZ is recommended for: damaged drywall, new drywall, spackling and joint compound skim coats, plaster, calcimine, uncoated wallpaper, wallcovering adhesive residue, texture paint, popcorn ceilings and builder's flat paint.
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Old 06-04-2009, 07:13 AM   #6
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Got it Sounds like this is the one for me, lol. We have it ordered if i cannot find anyway. I'm just hesitant using the one that's been on the shelf since it came over on the Mayflower. Have a great day and thanks so much for all your help. With the help of you and others on here, I'm getting great results.
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I am sure most any store will rotate thier stock. Ask them to throw it on a shaker no matter how long it has been there.
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Also you will NEED a microfiber roller cover.

Ben moore makes one and I am sure others do as well


http://www.myperfectcolor.com/Benjam...ura_roller.htm
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Uh oh....you just threw a curve at me. I've looked at a zillon roller sleeves and have not seen microfiber. I have seen foam sleeves (small ones) mainly for trim. We don't have Ben Wmsn stores here, only SW or big box. How does the microfiber affect the walls, or does the primer just respond better to that particular fabric. Sorry for all the questions, but I'm learning from the pros. I want the best outcome possible and achieving good results so far. However this room is the toughest with all the repairs on this bare plaster. I love challenges.

Also, should I use the microfiber for the paint or just the primer?
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These covers are the ONLY way to get Gardz on the wall.Gardz is like water and will run and drip all over the place with a normal cover. You would use it for Gardz only, so 1(one) will last a good long time if you clean it out after use. here is another brand that is good, you absolutely need one of these After all your hard work, I am sure it will look great and you will have the satisfaction of knowing that YOU did all the work that will last for years.

http://www.centralpaintonline.com/se...h-16%22/Detail
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Okay, I'll keep looking for the microfiber sleeve; would I use this same type sleeve for any other applications? 123 primer for other rooms, maybe? Is it good for anything else?

Also, since I'll be using the Guardz, is it tintable? It has been suggested that I tint the primer since I had so many problems with this paint in the DR. I'll be using it in the LR and Foyer, up stairway and upstairs hallway.
This same paint (SW Biltmore Buff - soft pale gold) is already finished in DR (SW Classic 99 - problem paint) and in the butler pantry area (Kilz which I really liked - no problems with it like the SW). I just want to get by with two coats of paint. I've got 3 and 4 coats in areas in my DR. That's why local SW replaced the Classic99 with the Superpaint. I hope it works better. So I hope the Guardz is tintable for that reason. Also, since it is thin and watery is only one coat needed, or do I need something else before painting it?

By the way, I found the Guardz at Lowes....it was in the wallpaper section and not with the other primers and paints. Go figure...lol.

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Is it good for anything else? Aura paint

is it tintable? No

Gardz should only be used to seal up where wallpaper was removed, not necessarily as a general primer. 123 tinted would be the way to go here,if that is what you have.

We wall paper hangers use it a lot for priming before installation.
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Okay....just making sure I follow you. After I clean the walls (paper backing and glue) I need to do the following (please correct me where needed)
1> Guardz applied with microfiber roller.
2> 123 Primer.
3> Two coats SW superpaint with 1/2" nap wooster sleeve.

Is this correct....both primers? before I paint. I did not use Guardz onthe wall I stripped in the other room, but it was in good shape needing little repair, mostly nail holes.

Should I reserve the micro sleeve for Guardz only or use it with the other primer and paint?

Ya just gotta love all the questions . Been called inquisitive all my life, lol. I just think it's better to get all oars in the water and do it right the first time around.
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OK, I am leaving for vacation in a couple hours,so listen carefully

After removal of as much paper and PASTE as possible.
1. Sand walls
2. Remove all dust from walls.
3.Prime with Gardz using micro fiber cover, let dry a couple hours
4. Repeat 1 and 2( just sanding LIGHTLY to knock off any zits)
5 Apply your 2 finish coats using a good quality 1/2 inch cover and brush, letting drying time between coats
6 Remove drops and move on,you are done.

There is no need to apply 123 over the Gardz, in the same way there is no reason to apply Gardz to walls that do not have PASTE residue on them.
If you want to try and get away from the proper way of doing things you could have the 123 tinted to your finish color and apply that and 1( one) finish coat( 123 being somewhat cheaper than your finish color). I am not condoning this; as a coat of primer and 2 finish coats is the proper procedure.
My fingers are hurting from all this typing,so I will be back Thursday and see what's up
Happy painting and next time use Ben Moore
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Okay....so I had misunderstood about the primer. use So from what I read, Guardz only then two coats of paint? This is what I had planned to do but apparently misunderstood an earlier response, which is why I thought you used 123 after Guardz.

I haven't bought any primer yet, as I still have to clean the paperbacking/glue from the walls and do repairs....so I'm sure that's where I'll be when you return from vacation .

Hope you're going somewhere fun and have a great time .

Being on room 5 and tired....i'm working slower these days, lol. I needed a few days off after 3-4 days on a ladder stripping paper. It's exhausting!!
I admire you guys that do this all day every day. It's hard work.
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