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h3llfir3 08-10-2009 08:35 PM

Car Painting and sanding
 
Hello, Im just doing a lot of work on cars with sanding and spray painting. I need a good breathing system and eye protection system that will keep me safe :) What are some excellent breathing protection systems out there that protect against fine particles from spray paint , sanding metal and paint, and anything else to do with sanding and painting, it should also protect against fumes from paint, etc. That is one thing i need, i also need something that gives good eye protection from spray painting and sanding metal and paint, etc.. I do not want people to tell me to buy, the simple breathing protector because I paint very frequently and I need something heavier duty. :) thanks, and I would appreciate people to list some items that are good and also a link to a website with it from a company i can get it from , or even just tell me where i can find it. :) thanks

Matthewt1970 08-10-2009 09:07 PM

3M is basicly the indutry standard for respirators however nothing beats the system we used to use for sandblasting. That brought in air for you from outside the building. I think maybe some car forums might help you better. We are more house painters than anything.

saggdevil 08-10-2009 09:17 PM

An auto paint supply shop can advise you on available products for your conditions, but all auto-body men and painters use the 3M respirators with the replaceable charcoal filters (i have one also). Auto painting is very different than house painting ... materials and procedures. Another forum would be of more help to you.

h3llfir3 08-10-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by saggdevil (Post 312822)
An auto paint supply shop can advise you on available products for your conditions, but all auto-body men and painters use the 3M respirators with the replaceable charcoal filters (i have one also). Auto painting is very different than house painting ... materials and procedures. Another forum would be of more help to you.

where can i get one of these masks and what do they protect against?

saggdevil 08-10-2009 09:21 PM

They protect against everything you mentioned and are designed for use in body shops. They are available from an auto body supply shop; if you have none available, check with a body shop and they can advise you locally.

Also, if you're doing this type of work you'll need hearing and eye protection when using the pneumatic tools required. These will be available from same supplly house.

h3llfir3 08-10-2009 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by saggdevil (Post 312825)
They protect against everything you mentioned and are designed for use in body shops. They are available from an auto body supply shop; if you have none available, check with a body shop and they can advise you locally.

Also, if you're doing this type of work you'll need hearing and eye protection when using the pneumatic tools required. These will be available from same supplly house.

what is the hearing protection for? just wondering.. and could you get all these from somewhere like canadian tire or home depot or rona? and what do you recommend for eye protection and ear protection?

also one more thing, if you are wearing protection , shoud painting and sanding still be done in an open area or it doesnt matter? lol this sounds like a dumb question so im guessing outside is the right answer?

saggdevil 08-10-2009 10:11 PM

WRONG.....auto painting should never be done in an open area which makes me wonder why YOU should be asking this question since you are doing the work and you should know this. Standard hearing protection for noise from pneumatic tools, etc. and standard eye protection used in most any industry. I don't know if Lowes or HD have these items as I wouldn't shop there for them. You seem to know very little about auto painting, glad it's not my car, lol. :) There are special paints, thinners, clears, tools and above all technique which is why it's called a profession.
In no way is it anything like house painting. Another forum would be of more help to you.

h3llfir3 08-10-2009 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by saggdevil (Post 312847)
WRONG.....auto painting should never be done in an open area which makes me wonder why YOU should be asking this question since you are doing the work and you should know this. Standard hearing protection for noise from pneumatic tools, etc. and standard eye protection used in most any industry. I don't know if Lowes or HD have these items as I wouldn't shop there for them. You seem to know very little about auto painting, glad it's not my car, lol. :) There are special paints, thinners, clears, tools and above all technique which is why it's called a profession.
In no way is it anything like house painting. Another forum would be of more help to you.

lol .. bro im not painting my whole car!! its just a hobby thing painting accessory pieces and stuff like that..

saggdevil 08-10-2009 11:19 PM

Sorry, thought you were really going to spray paint a car, lol; there have been posts here on it :). I've been around body shops all my life as my brother has one, so it really is very different. Most of the paints are mixed, but some accessories can be done from spray cans but go to a supplier and they'll guide you. Some auto parts stores such as Advance or Napa might have some of the items or can guide you. Good luck :)

Since you are doing accessories, it's best to attach wire and hang to paint and dry in a well ventilated area. In this case, an open area would be best but not on a windy day or too humid a day. Never paint below 60 degrees.

h3llfir3 08-10-2009 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saggdevil (Post 312862)
Sorry, thought you were really going to spray paint a car, lol; there have been posts here on it :). I've been around body shops all my life as my brother has one, so it really is very different. Most of the paints are mixed, but some accessories can be done from spray cans but go to a supplier and they'll guide you. Some auto parts stores such as Advance or Napa might have some of the items or can guide you. Good luck :)

you said i need ear protection.. if i was going to spray paint a car with spray cans would i really need ear protection? i know i need eye protection but the only tools i am using are spray cans.. lool and when would you need to use thinners? also what kind of eye protection is good, can you post me some links?

saggdevil 08-10-2009 11:30 PM

Ear protection not needed for spray cans. Standard safety glasses available anywhere (auto, hardware, dollar store, etc.)

You would need thinner for cleanup (or spirits, denatured alcohol, etc.).

The main thing similar to house painting is that the end product is a direct result of prep work. Clean, smooth and dull.

Here in my area an auto parts store would have these items (probably the paint too). We also have "custom shops" where they do that type work and some of them sell the materials to do it yourself.

h3llfir3 08-10-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by saggdevil (Post 312869)
Ear protection not needed for spray cans. Standard safety glasses available anywhere (auto, hardware, dollar store, etc.)

You would need thinner for cleanup (or spirits, denatured alcohol, etc.).

The main thing similar to house painting is that the end product is a direct result of prep work. Clean, smooth and dull.

Here in my area an auto parts store would have these items (probably the paint too). We also have "custom shops" where they do that type work and some of them sell the materials to do it yourself.

they carry the breathing protection too i assume?

saggdevil 08-11-2009 12:03 AM

Not sure if they carry a respirator or not but you need a 3M dual cartridge (not sure if anyone else makes them). (kinda looks like adam ant when you're wearing them, lol)

Keep in original zip-lock bag (zipped air tight) when not in use to preserve the charcoal filters. Will cost about $15-20.00.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...beF3RH7CD92Ngl

h3llfir3 08-11-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by saggdevil (Post 312880)
Not sure if they carry a respirator or not but you need a 3M dual cartridge (not sure if anyone else makes them). (kinda looks like adam ant when you're wearing them, lol)

Keep in original zip-lock bag (zipped air tight) when not in use to preserve the charcoal filters. Will cost about $15-20.00.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...beF3RH7CD92Ngl

is this mask good for sanding as well? and for ziplock bags , just any ziplock bag? and where would i find this mask??

is this the same one?
http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/s...k=P_PartNumber

i also found these , dunno if they are any good

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/SafetyProducts/BreathingProtection/PRD~0550053P/Mastercraft%2BDual%2BRespirator%2BFilter%2BMask.js p


http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows...Respirator.jsp

chrisn 08-11-2009 03:28 AM

Any of them will work. You really do not need them for sanding,( although it would not hurt any) a cheaper version such as these found in any hardware store will work.
http://roarksupply.com/index.php?cPa...6f1830cdfeb32a


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