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Flirte38 12-11-2011 02:46 PM

Can I paint trim and crown molding before putting it up?
 
I'm a newbie and I need some help. I recently painted inside out my house and decided to go from natural wood finish to a painted one.

So I ripped mine up, and bought new pre primed trim.enough also for my ceilings, and possibly a chair rail for dining room.

I'm actually going to take two trim boards and combine then to make a wide crown molding for the ceiling. This probably isn't called crown molding by most, but its what I call it.

Now here is my?? Can't I just paint all the boards and the then install them. That's how we always did the trim boards (bottom) by carpet before .Then there is no mess on carpet or ceiling. just paint everything first. Can this be done. Thanks!
Ps. I'm going to reprime boards as I got boards at auction and don't no what primer was used. Any suggestions in primer and paint are welcomed. I think I'll go with high gloss. My color if walks are a very light butter color. So with a white trim it went be to drastic.

Brushjockey 12-11-2011 03:36 PM

After installation you will still need to fill holes and caulk- so you could do a coat and then one after.
I think it is easier/better to finish in place. Less to rack, and you can finish all the way.

Brushjockey 12-11-2011 03:37 PM

Hi gloss is ONLY if you know how to make it PERFECT.
Satin is for everybody who is still sane..

joecaption 12-11-2011 03:42 PM

I always sand, prime and paint one coat before installing all my trim. Far faster then trying to cut it all in.

chrisn 12-11-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 791420)
I always sand, prime and paint one coat before installing all my trim. Far faster then trying to cut it all in.

you are pretty unique in that respect.

ronnoez 12-12-2011 05:01 AM

Brushjockey is right. Unless you don't intend to caulk, hole fill or sand any offset joints your better off finishing it up. Doing it the right way isn't usually the easiest way.

chrisn 12-12-2011 06:03 AM

[quote=ronnoez;791820]Brushjockey is right. Unless you don't intend to caulk, hole fill or sand any offset joints your better off finishing it up. Doing it the right way isn't usually the easiest way.[/quote]

:no::thumbsup:

mae-ling 12-13-2011 02:39 PM

I have done carpentry for over 20 yeras. Every painter I have worked with painted it before installation. Then fill nail holes and touch up.

Brushjockey 12-13-2011 03:10 PM

They can just touch up enamel after filling, after caulking all components?
That would not be acceptable in my world.

housepaintingny 12-13-2011 03:57 PM

I prefer painting it after its up, as you still have to caulk and fill nail holes. You can't just touch up trim, as it usually will flash. Meaning you will have to paint from one joint to the next, so your better off painting it after its up. Even in new construction I wait to paint trim until after its been installed. If there was an easier, faster way that would still produce a quality finish I would be utilizing it, but havnt found an easier faster way, other than paint after installation

chrisn 12-14-2011 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by housepaintingny (Post 793116)
I prefer painting it after its up, as you still have to caulk and fill nail holes. You can't just touch up trim, as it usually will flash. Meaning you will have to paint from one joint to the next, so your better off painting it after its up. Even in new construction I wait to paint trim until after its been installed. If there was an easier, faster way that would still produce a quality finish I would be utilizing it, but havnt found an easier faster way, other than paint after installation


There you go:thumbsup:

jsheridan 12-14-2011 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by housepaintingny (Post 793116)
I prefer painting it after its up, as you still have to caulk and fill nail holes. You can't just touch up trim, as it usually will flash. Meaning you will have to paint from one joint to the next, so your better off painting it after its up. Even in new construction I wait to paint trim until after its been installed. If there was an easier, faster way that would still produce a quality finish I would be utilizing it, but havnt found an easier faster way, other than paint after installation

That's an oft repeated phrase around here, both explicit and implied.
People trying to reinvent the process. :no:

joecaption 12-14-2011 05:50 AM

Most of the time I do use enamel for the trim and use painters puddy or Fast and Final to fill the nail holes and have never seen it flash.
A DIY trying to cut in the back side of trim at the wall line will have blue tape every where which will peel off the paint on the wall and paint will get in under it in some places. If it's preprimed and prepainted there's 0 cut in time.
Other reasons to prefinish.
There's a lot less chance of dripping paint on the floors.
We have tryed it both ways and found we lost at least a whole day by painting it after it was hung when doing a whole house.
Also it came out with cleaner paint lines because your not trying to cut in where the casing meets the window stools, no paint on the window sashes that needs to be wiped off, not having to try and paint the base board where it meets the flooring.
If it's new constrution we can set the trim up outside and spray it for an even smoother finish.

jsheridan 12-14-2011 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 793646)
Most of the time I do use enamel for the trim and use painters puddy or Fast and Final to fill the nail holes and have never seen it flash.
A DIY trying to cut in the back side of trim at the wall line will have blue tape every where which will peel off the paint on the wall and paint will get in under it in some places. If it's preprimed and prepainted there's 0 cut in time.
Other reasons to prefinish.
There's a lot less chance of dripping paint on the floors.
We have tryed it both ways and found we lost at least a whole day by painting it after it was hung when doing a whole house.
Also it came out with cleaner paint lines because your not trying to cut in where the casing meets the window stools, no paint on the window sashes that needs to be wiped off, not having to try and paint the base board where it meets the flooring.
If it's new constrution we can set the trim up outside and spray it for an even smoother finish.

You're not a painter, but someone who sees the painting as just one more part of a larger project that needs to be done. That's a purely production formula, and not what we're trying to teach people here. All of the things that you point to as advantages are what painting is actually about. How do you caulk the trim to the wall after both are final finished? Touching up trim is not as difficult as touching up walls, but if you have dozens/hundreds of touch-ups, I can't see how that wouldn't be visible. And, if you use enamel on the trim most of the time, what do you use the remainder of the times? Just some thoughts.

Brushjockey 12-14-2011 09:08 AM

And if you are doing an entire room redo- there is an order that makes it work-
Prime all ( appropriately)
finish ceiling
Install ww if needed ( pre priming it and a coat is ok- I think it is more of a hassle to set up to do that than to just wait until its up)
fill, caulk sand ww
2 coats finish ww
Tape only where spatters will fall ( mostly base)
Paint walls- hand cutting sides of things- much easier than cutting ww to walls

There are variations to this , but this is a VERY common order of procedure which makes it work more efficiently


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