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mrominger 04-25-2011 03:37 PM

Can I paint on top of old wallpaper?
 
Our new home was built sometime around the 1950s and some of the rooms have been updated while others have not. The bathroom and entryway both have an older style wallpaper that is very hideous so I've made it a priority to tackle that first. My question is whether it's possible (to get good results) to paint on top of the existing old wallpaper or do I absolutely have to remove it first. Some people say to remove it while others say you can texture on top of it and then paint.

ltd 04-25-2011 04:32 PM

yes you can. glue down any loose seams,oil base prime ,top coat latex. i have done this many times.and it looks ok, kind of like someone painted over wallpaper.:huh: my point is you may be in that house for a long time just do it right .striping wall paper not as bad as people make it out to be .the end result is you will have a beautiful room you can be proud of.

Bud Cline 04-25-2011 04:43 PM

Wow!!!

Brushjockey 04-25-2011 05:47 PM

While it's true you CAN do it, it's not what you should do. You will be sealing in potential problems that can rear their head later, or not later.
Strip to bare wall is always preferable. except if it is permabonded- usually because it has been pasted onto raw sheetrock, then before you destroy the wall it's better to seal in and then paint.
I just had a job where the owner insisted we seal in and skim over to make a smooth wall. Even after sealing with BIN ( pigmented shellac) the paper was loose and needed to be cut out in so many spots it would have been easier to strip and do it right.
Shortcuts don't always pay.

Bud Cline 04-25-2011 05:52 PM

Quote:

Even after sealing with BIN ( pigmented shellac) the paper was loose and needed to be cut out in so many spots it would have been easier to strip and do it right.

There ya go!:)

jsheridan 04-25-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brushjockey (Post 636353)
While it's true you CAN do it, it's not what you should do. You will be sealing in potential problems that can rear their head later, or not later.
Strip to bare wall is always preferable. except if it is permabonded- usually because it has been pasted onto raw sheetrock, then before you destroy the wall it's better to seal in and then paint.
I just had a job where the owner insisted we seal in and skim over to make a smooth wall. Even after sealing with BIN ( pigmented shellac) the paper was loose and needed to be cut out in so many spots it would have been easier to strip and do it right.
Shortcuts don't always pay.

Brush, do you like BIN for that as opposed to Cover Stain? BIN has a water component. I've always used CS.

mustangmike3789 04-25-2011 06:56 PM

yes you can, but i would suggest that you paint it green and let some grass grow up around it so it will be harder to see all of the problems that will create:thumbsup:

Leah Frances 04-25-2011 07:13 PM

It's bad karma to paint over wall paper. Someone else will own your home one day and they will hate you for it.

- signed a girl who curses the former owner of my house on a bi-weekly basis.

Gymschu 04-25-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Leah Frances (Post 636447)
It's bad karma to paint over wall paper. Someone else will own your home one day and they will hate you for it.

- signed a girl who curses the former owner of my house on a bi-weekly basis.

This^^^^^

Brushjockey 04-25-2011 07:22 PM

JS-- On top of needing to seal the paper there was nicotine embedded in the paper.
I actually wished we had used CS, might have worked better. But then I REALLY wished we had stripped it. The Nic would have been gone with the paper.

jsheridan 04-25-2011 07:24 PM

Brush, I answered my own question. While looking at BIN TDS for cousindan, I came across this
Over Wallcovering B-I-N may be used to prime existing, soundly adhered, non-porous wallcoverings to hide patterns/dark colors prior to painting.

Never saw that application. I guess non-porous means vinyl coated and up, not paper paper.

jsheridan 04-25-2011 07:31 PM

I looked at a job years ago in a little row home in Philly. The people had vinyl wallpaer that turned brownish gold after about five years. They weren't sure why and wanted me to wash it. I asked them if they were smokers. They were both heavy smokers and had quit the year before they installed the paper. The paper was paid for by the money they saved by quitting, and the idea was to eliminate the signs of being smokers. I told them the nicotine was burning through the paper and there was nothing to be done but seal it and paint or remove it. The paper guy never sealed the nicotine and it migrated up through the paper. The weren't too happy to hear that, and I think, that as the messenger, I got shot. The paper job wasn't all that hot so I figured the guy wasn't either.

chrisn 04-26-2011 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mrominger (Post 636238)
Our new home was built sometime around the 1950s and some of the rooms have been updated while others have not. The bathroom and entryway both have an older style wallpaper that is very hideous so I've made it a priority to tackle that first. My question is whether it's possible (to get good results) to paint on top of the existing old wallpaper or do I absolutely have to remove it first. Some people say to remove it while others say you can texture on top of it and then paint.


NO, NO, NO,NO,NO,NOOOOOO!:no::no::no::no::no::no::no::no::no::no:

chrisn 04-26-2011 06:49 AM

[quote=jsheridan;636461]I looked at a job years ago in a little row home in Philly. The people had vinyl wallpaer that turned brownish gold after about five years. They weren't sure why and wanted me to wash it. I asked them if they were smokers. They were both heavy smokers and had quit the year before they installed the paper. The paper was paid for by the money they saved by quitting, and the idea was to eliminate the signs of being smokers. I told them the nicotine was burning through the paper and there was nothing to be done but seal it and paint or remove it. The paper guy never sealed the nicotine and it migrated up through the paper. The weren't too happy to hear that, and I think, that as the messenger, I got shot. The paper job wasn't all that hot so I figured the guy wasn't either.[/quote]


Bad paper PERSON ( could easily have been a female):yes::whistling2:
They should have known better


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