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steelgoddess 05-09-2012 09:17 PM

bubbling and brush marks with aura
 
Well the painting has begun, with a test wall.. with the drywall situation and me being "particular" they are doing one wall with the aura matte, in a lovely jute. The color is very nice. However right off the bat, there are issues.

They did the second coat today, and there are bubbles and swelled areas throughout the wall. The wall was primed with porter speedhide.

They were talking of using floetrol today to thin it out and increase drying time, and thin it out a bit because of the brush marks etc.

Could it be the floetrol doing this, if they used it and not the recommended BM extender? Could it be something else?

Now with the brush marks, and I've seen a surface brushed with aura today at the store that looked lovely. The painters are getting what to me are thick ridged brush marks. They say its normal with the paint because its thick etc, but I can't imagine that it would be. Especially cause its the same type of brush mark they got when priming.

For those of you that have used aura successfully, can I have some thoughts and ideas before this is readdressed tomorrow.

Also for the messed up wall.. what is the best way to redo it. I'd like to be a bit educated.

Thanks! I have attached some pics...not the best quality but they convey it... they are the bubbles, the brush marks and the primer brush marks for reference.

And as a side note, this is the first time they have used Aura.

Brushjockey 05-09-2012 10:15 PM

Aura takes some getting used to. It works different than most other paints.
I usually add just a bit ( maybe about a half cup/gal ) of water to loosen it up. A bit more for the cut pot. Cut twice- I don't care what the rap is 2 coats look better than one.
BM extender is better than flotrol. One i discovered BM and also XIM extender I tossed my flotrol and haven't ever bought any more.

steelgoddess 05-09-2012 10:36 PM

they are definitely doing min 2 coats... unfortunately the second brought all the bubbling... maybe i should get them a practice piece of drywall lol...

Brushjockey 05-09-2012 10:42 PM

I don't understand what you mean by bubbling- I have never had anything I would call "bubbling" with Aura.

steelgoddess 05-09-2012 11:15 PM

There are now very small to medium sized raised areas..
They look like bubbles, and little areas of swelling.
I tried to take a couple of more close up pics..
If you look really closely, in one you can see that odd shaped area in the midst of the wall.. there are now many of those in a line, and then you have areas where you have round raised spots. I touched them. They are very hard to the touch. In the third pic, all the dark spots are swelled areas.
It all just happened today, after the second coat.

chrisn 05-10-2012 04:50 AM

I still don't see any "bubbling", maybe you should consider 1( hiring new painter 2) not inspecting so closely, you are never going to get a "perfect" paint job

kwikfishron 05-10-2012 06:23 AM

If you didn't want "bubbling" then maybe you should have opted for a smooth wall finish instead of textured. :wink:

The wall looks good to me.

steelgoddess 05-10-2012 10:27 AM

well, yes i look closely.. however in the home you can see what happened 7 feet away....
and yes, i wanted smooth walls... thats another story.. as is the painter...

The pics really don't show it well...hard with the light and the texture when you get close....and only my phone to take it with....

Its not a paint blotch or general cosmetic
They know something went amiss too and happened, as they have a planned repaint on this wall... I just like to try to know what i am talking about when we discuss these things..

its a reaction of some sort... nothing to do with the basic wall..
for no better words, its like the wall had an allergic reaction...for lack of better words...

however, i realize odd things happen in my home.. its the nature of the project..so I will see what they have to say today...

thanks for the input :)

steelgoddess 05-10-2012 06:00 PM

well, after seeing them, and them talking to their rep/supplier... looks like they are going to go back reprime the walls with a sealer...as their other primer didn't seal.
moisture + mud + swell and bubble...actually the painters words were chicken pox, . Thankfully we are doing this test paint wall, so this current issue is limited to just this wall, and they don't have to redo each wall. Painter was working really hard to get to the bottom of it today...so other than not having the issue... that is all one can really ask for....

kwikfishron 05-10-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by steelgoddess (Post 918185)
Thanks! I have attached some pics...

If you're going to edit all of your post and remove the pictures you should have probably removed the above sentence also.

Glad it all worked out. :)

steelgoddess 05-10-2012 06:50 PM

i was trying to put a better picture up there..but got diverted...but you are most definitely right..if i don't replace the pics, i should really edit the post... :yes: I am glad it looks to be working out....and hopefully will be smooth going from here.....

chrisn 05-11-2012 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by steelgoddess (Post 918852)
well, after seeing them, and them talking to their rep/supplier... looks like they are going to go back reprime the walls with a sealer...as their other primer didn't seal.
moisture + mud + swell and bubble...actually the painters words were chicken pox, . Thankfully we are doing this test paint wall, so this current issue is limited to just this wall, and they don't have to redo each wall. Painter was working really hard to get to the bottom of it today...so other than not having the issue... that is all one can really ask for....


What are they going to use for primer? I have used speed hide in the past and never had any problems. Just wondering what they think will work better.

steelgoddess 05-12-2012 11:38 AM

I'm not sure at this point what they have decided on...I haven't been able to get that piece of information... We left off with them looking at BM Fresh Start, and something in the zinsser line.... They wanted to do some more research to see what product out there would provide the best sealing.....

Going back to the other thread talking about first coat, and brush jockey I believe it was saying, if they used that they would have to come back and seal it. I believe in this instance the speed hide primer/surfacer required the same.
It was confirmed with the Porter call that the speed hide product didn't provide the necessary sealing. Also the painter was mentioning the ammonia levels in the Aura being high, as an additional factor, and the rep brought up Auras self priming make up playing a role in it as well.

I think under normal circumstances, it probably would have been fine. I think because you have in a about a year and a half, 3 paint jobs, numerous excessive drywalls repair and mudding, all different products... that the walls have many different absorption points and levels.

The same thing happened after paint job 2 but on a much larger scale throughout the home. Every place there was mud swelled big time. So now you had much more mud on that painted surface again.

The painter did make an interesting note. He said primers that seal, have a sheen to them, because of the sealant. This stuff is flat and chalky. That of course means nothing at this point as we know the paint penetrated to the mud, but I thought it interesting.

When I get the answer of the new and latest primer, I will let you know. :)

steelgoddess 05-21-2012 07:46 PM

After convincing himself he could not use BM Fresh Start w/ Aura paint, he used zinsser prime and seal. His new theory is its due to the previous painter not cleaning the drywall dust off and painting over it--as he had to cut deep into the wall to get to the beginning of the bubbles. He did get some additional bubbling from the zinsser on one other wall. He feels since it was limited to that, he should now be fine with the paint. I guess time will tell when he hits the walls, as they have been doing trim and ceilings in the interim.

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steelgoddess 05-25-2012 11:17 PM

I will say in all of this, one thing that has really impressed me has been the helpfulness of the Ben Moore folks. From my local paint manager, to two of their reps. It's nice that that kind of thing still exists, and at least on that level makes me happy with my paint choice.


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