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Old 08-30-2013, 11:38 PM   #16
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I think I mentioned somewhere - it looks like Behr is replacing the term "flat enamel" on their labels with "matte".
Valspar dropped the term as well. It's now called 'Super Flat. Kind of confusing, because its certainly not 'flat'.

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Old 08-30-2013, 11:45 PM   #17
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One thing I would like to point out is if you don't like the way oil based has held up with finger prints, you are probably going to hate latex/acrylic.
I believe he's saying it's the acrylic repaints that are not holding up.
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Valspar dropped the term as well. It's now called 'Supper Flat. Kind of confusing, because its certainly not 'flat'.

that IS confusing
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Thanks everybody.

I'll clarify a few things here. The oil painted trim in my house has held up great, but has yellowed. One thing I did that hopefully won't bite me (I thought it was pretty smart at the time), is that when it was time to touch-up the oil trim, I took an A/C return door to the paint store and had them match the yellowed paint. Worked great, but unless the original paint continues to yellow, the new paint I got to match it might stand out over time.

Ok, next clarification: The problem areas are areas that are all latex. The doors under my sink (kitchen cabinets) where the garbage can is, and where our dirty hands always touch, that paint gets soft and wants to peel a bit. I've just sanded/scraped, primed and painted every couple years. I don't know if this would have happened with oil paint, but it is what it is.

Next: When I said hybrid I meant waterborne alkyd. I've read a bunch about Advance and others and they just seem like a lot of trouble and the long open time scares me.

Right now my kitchen cabinets and bathroom cabinets are all latex (latex from the start). The trim in these areas is either original latex or latex over oil, which has held up pretty well, considering the lack of prep and priming. Elsewhere through the house (halls, bedrooms, etc.) that's where the oil trim is. So, my problem is, and the reason for this post, is that I have this silly mix of paints through the house that I want to make consistent. I want ease of application, no yellowing, no fumes, and a rock solid finish--- or as close as I can get. And because I'm pretty well ruling out one of the waterborne alkyds, I really want to know what is the best choice of latex paint for all my cabinets and trim--- Aura, Duration, ProClassic, Regal Select, etc.

By the way, the ProClassic I've been using to touch up the cabinets is the latex version. I went with this before because it says that its for cabinets and trim right there on the label.
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that IS confusing
Ya know, Supper flat...comes after Dinner flat... Whoops
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I've read a bunch about Advance and others and they just seem like a lot of trouble and the long open time scares me.
Not sure why long open time would scare you. In fact it's one of the important attributes of a good trim paint in most people's opinion. I would actually rule out a paint like Aura for trim partly because of the short open time. You want that paint to flow and smooth out brush marks and form a smooth surface without micro-ridges to catch dirt and grime.

Here's an interesting little article with lots of questions and answers following. You might want to peruse this and with regard to Aura and open time, you might want to search the page for "aura" and read some of the questions and replies.
http://topcoatreview.com/2011/12/wat...-trick-ponies/

This one addresses some straight acrylic issues
http://topcoatreview.com/2011/01/wat...re-is-certain/

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Thanks, JeffNC. I've read the same thing about Aura, but did also see folks who liked and had good luck on trim. Of course, I've seen some of the same complaints about ProClassic latex.

This review of Advance scared me a bit. Application just seems a bit tricky.

http://www.jackpauhl.com/benjamin-moore-advance-review/
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Thanks, JeffNC. I've read the same thing about Aura, but did also see folks who liked and had good luck on trim. Of course, I've seen some of the same complaints about ProClassic latex.

This review of Advance scared me a bit. Application just seems a bit tricky.

http://www.jackpauhl.com/benjamin-moore-advance-review/
It is a bit tricky. For me it's not so much the open time as it is the cure time. I get nervous when paint takes so long to form a good bond.
I did a sample cabinet door with Advance over Bin primer the other day. After two days dry time the Advance would still scratch off with a fingernail.. I know from exp that it will eventually bond well, but that long of a cure can be problematic in real world applications.

Never the less, for what you are needing from a trim paint I think a hybrid or modified paint is the way to go. You would get the added benefit of not having to prime to get a good bond over oil.

If you stick with a straight latex, consider going up in sheen. Lots of good durable latexes out there, the shinier they are the harder they are (generally)

I'm interested in SW Solo. Seen a lot of good reviews, but have yet to try it.
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After learning to use it pro classic is still my go to. Just my opinion but to get the best of advance it needs to be sprayed.
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After learning to use it pro classic is still my go to. Just my opinion but to get the best of advance it needs to be sprayed.
Same here, Toolseeker. I have never had any callbacks regarding the performance of Proclassic which leads me to believe that it "does what it's supposed to do." Getting ready to do a cabinet job right now and that's what I am using.
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Thanks, JeffNC. I've read the same thing about Aura, but did also see folks who liked and had good luck on trim. Of course, I've seen some of the same complaints about ProClassic latex.

This review of Advance scared me a bit. Application just seems a bit tricky.

http://www.jackpauhl.com/benjamin-moore-advance-review/
Oh good, I am not the only one with these problems. We just did a brand new house with miles of trim all done with waterborne alkyd. I am not going to get into what brand it was as they all seem to do it but it was one of the 3 I mentioned in my earlier post. I almost spent more time going back cathing runs and sags than I did actually painting. The problem is the areas around the run that you are trying to blend the run into are already dry. Can you say flash??
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And as to the question of primer. Someone mentioned Zinsser 123 water based and someone else said it should be oil. If I plan to scuff-sand and prime oil trim, is either fine? Of course, either will be better than the non-prime I did before.....
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on cabinets I have always used zinzzer cover stain and pro classic acrylic . never a problem ,perfect. lately however I have switched to uma stix for the primer and have excellent results.i have re visited a cab job I did 7 years ago with pro classic and it still looks great.over the last few years they have reformulated pro classic and it is a much better paint .
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Zinnsers 123 primer and Satin Impervo waterborne would be my choice, just to confuse you some more. Just pick one and paint, you could have had a couple of them done by now with all the research you have done and the answers supplied here. Get to painting.
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Zinnsers 123 primer and Satin Impervo waterborne would be my choice, just to confuse you some more. Just pick one and paint, you could have had a couple of them done by now with all the research you have done and the answers supplied here. Get to painting.
I have been reading a lot of painting threads for paint types, primers and techniques. Home I purchased was smoked in for 16 years or more. Walls washed with TSP, sanded and primed. House is almost ready for paint.

I am using SW ProClassic for Trim and Cabinets. SuperPaint Flat for Ceilings/Walls. SuperPaint Satin for Kitchen/Bathrooms.

I had originally planned to use Zinsser BIN as my primer, but the contractors refused to use it because it was extremely watery and was told it could not be rolled, only sprayed. I ended up purchasing Killz Max as my primer. 2 coats of primer in highly stained areas.

Now to the main question. Will SW ProClass semi-gloss be good enough for the trims and cabinets? The Trim/Cabinets have been washed with TSP, lightly sanded and primed with Killz Max.

This has been very stressful experience, hoping someone can confirm above is good.

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