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Old 04-14-2009, 09:53 AM   #31
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The main problem I have with Behr paint is that it sags
White doesn't cover white
Other colors have very poor coverage
Painting w/Behr is like painting with molasses (brnad new paint)
I have a drill mixer & the paint is always mixed completely

After years of painting with Behr paint from HD (thinking it was me) I will be switching to BM or another paint from a paint store

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Old 04-14-2009, 11:19 AM   #32
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I am a HD employee in the paint dept. I am located in canada and have been doing this for several years and have heard more than my share of comments about several brands of paint.
First off I would like to comment on all the professional painters out there. I can't say anything to painters in other areas of North America but where I come from any joe can got to the dollar store buy a brush and roller, put an add in the paper and advertise himself as a pro painter. Many customer i come in contact with come in looking for a second opinion. If they followed their "painters" advice every homeowner would be applying BIN on everything they are painting. So called pro advice.
As for behr paint I have heard the same complaints about the products as i read here. But you are but a drop in the pond. I receive that many compliments on Behr times 100 from homeowners and reputable painters. I have also heard complaints about BM and many other brands. Price wasn't one of them.
As for the comments saying HD employees knowing nothing, This is my job, I take pride in it and and i have no problems sending customers to a "paint store" if I cannot help them or if do not have a paricular product they require. The so-called paint stores in my area do the same.
You may be one of very few that know what they are talking about when asked a question by a customer.

MOST employees at HD, don't have a clue of what they are talking about.

I have learned never to ask them any questions.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:46 AM   #33
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I have no bones to pick with employees from HD or anywhere else; they have their work to do, I have mine. Having said that, I ask fellow professionals for their professional opinions and I ask homeowner service people homeowner questions...not the reverse.

I have no idea whether or not my compatriot poster from HD is - or was - a professional painter and it may well be that he has little or no experience with Behr paints as compared to others...I just don't assume he is a professional painter.

On the other hand, it may well interest him what professional painters are saying about the product he sells every day, the very people who use it every day in comparison with other paints. He may well already know this, so as long as he doesn't start saying "Behr is better than BM" or words to that effect, I'm cool.

A homeowner who paints one room for a $25/gallon of Behr paint and is proud of their work is NOT a representative sample of how the paint compares to others. It says that customer is happy...that's all.

Now tell them that same customer they overspent $15 on that gallon but got what the product was worth, will be another story.
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Old 04-14-2009, 09:01 PM   #34
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I am a HD employee in the paint dept. I am located in canada and have been doing this for several years and have heard more than my share of comments about several brands of paint.
-First off I would like to comment on all the professional painters out there. I can't say anything to painters in other areas of North America but where I come from any joe can got to the dollar store buy a brush and roller, put an add in the paper and advertise himself as a pro painter.

* Anyone, anywhere can put a sign on their vehicle and advertise as any type of contractor. Where I come from anyone can get hired at HD, put on a name tag, get a weeks training and become a specialist in their respective department.


-Many customer i come in contact with come in looking for a second opinion. If they followed their "painters" advice every homeowner would be applying BIN on everything they are painting. So called pro advice.

*Id trust a painting contractors advise (pending I did my research as a HO and got all the information needed to determine said contractor is qualified) over an employee who sells paint. In all fairness, you dont know the whole story about what prep needs to be done and in most cases the HO couldnt even tell you that info.

-As for behr paint I have heard the same complaints about the products as i read here. But you are but a drop in the pond. I receive that many compliments on Behr times 100 from homeowners and reputable painters. I have also heard complaints about BM and many other brands. Price wasn't one of them.

*So when a painting contractor doesnt like Behr they are some guy who bought a brush and put a sign on his vehicle, but when they compliment the product they become reputable painters? People dont like to advertise the fact that they cant afford something, of course they arent going to tell you its price. If it was not price then its quality thats the issue, no way Behr is better than BM or SW. The HOs you speak to dont know what product they need, do you know how many people think that primer is just any type of white paint to make the walls a "blank canvas"?


- As for the comments saying HD employees knowing nothing, This is my job, I take pride in it and and i have no problems sending customers to a "paint store" if I cannot help them or if do not have a paricular product they require. The so-called paint stores in my area do the same.

You would be the 2nd HD employee i have had contact with that takes pride in his work, good for you if you are but im not here to tell you youre special. This thread is about the failures of Behr paint, and HDs lack of investment in their employees is part of the problem, my biggest problem. You ( maybe not YOU, but HD in general) overcharge customers for a inferior product and set unrealistic expectations for the contractors the HO talked to (assuming they are REAL contractors). Maybe the real problem is the stupidity of most people and their un-willingness to pay someone a fair wage, based on the knowledge and skills they have honed through years of hardwork.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:15 PM   #35
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I've given my opinion quite a few times on this forum on Behr, HD, BM, SW, etc. I can only match the bad experiences with the ones previously posted and I can produce proof, as less than a year the Behr crap is peeling under the coat that I used to try to hide it.

I can say that the prized Benjamin Moore paint is crap too. I've had only good results with Sherwin Williams, although pricey, and my favorite to date is Dunn Edwards. All the pros I work around use Dunn Edwards too. Around here, keeping the cost down goes hand-in-hand with keeping the customer happy with top-quality work.

The only way to really improve Behr is to stop selling it so customers don't get really burned when the "contractors" use it to try to keep their families fed.

As for HD employees - you can't expect much with the skimpy wages they earn. Just keep them the hell away from me so they don't hurt themselves, or me or others, when they try to help. I have to praise the women who work there though! I see them busting ass while somewhere there are thug-wannabees wandering the aisles, hiding until they can clock out instead of restocking so I don't have one more thing to trash HD for...
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So this the first time I have herd of Dunn Edwards. So do they make a good semi or solid stain. Also does it come in Oil based? Some people have told me it is hard to get oil stains because of the enviromental thing. I still am asuming that the oil is better. Let me know more about Dunn Edwars. Also how does it compare to Sikkens? Because I have herd alot of good about Sikkens and haven't herd anything bad yet. Let me know please, getting close to stain time.
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This is for Scuba Dave. I see your name has Scuba in it, I am assuming you are into scuba diving. My wife and I are planning on going to Beliez in a week and go scuba diving. Have you been or herd anything about Beliez? We are planning staying near San Pedro on the Ambergris Caye. Just a shot in the dark, but if you know anything let me know.
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Here's another thread you may be interested in:

Anyone been to Belize? It's in the 'Off Topic' forum
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This is for Scuba Dave. I see your name has Scuba in it, I am assuming you are into scuba diving. My wife and I are planning on going to Beliez in a week and go scuba diving. Have you been or herd anything about Beliez? We are planning staying near San Pedro on the Ambergris Caye. Just a shot in the dark, but if you know anything let me know.
I haven't been there
My favorite destination is Cozumel - drift diving
Usually an hour dive min, I've gone close to 90 minutes on 1 tank
We dive with an operator my friend knows, been going for over 10 years. Once he knows you & abilities you dive your computer. You only go up when your run out of air

Much better then diving at home
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So this the first time I have herd of Dunn Edwards. So do they make a good semi or solid stain. Also does it come in Oil based? Some people have told me it is hard to get oil stains because of the enviromental thing. I still am asuming that the oil is better. Let me know more about Dunn Edwars. Also how does it compare to Sikkens? Because I have herd alot of good about Sikkens and haven't herd anything bad yet. Let me know please, getting close to stain time.

Don't know about stain - never needed that much, but they will make anything you want, match anything better than HD does with Behr (yes, another gripe), and they will put a rush on your order even when you don't need it. Oh, and they sell the BIG 25' rolls of 3 mil plastic drop cloth for $6 all day, every day, compared to $20-30 at HD.
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I've been using Behr paints and stains for years and have had always had a good impression of them. I'm not a professional, but we've remodeled a couple of houses and have a rental, so we do quite a bit of painting, inside and out, and Behr has (almost) always served me well.

The one real bad experience was a year or so ago when we bought a gallon of some special "kitchen and bath" formula that was supposed to prevent mildew. It was pretty bad. It didn't cover well at all, so we went back to our old standby, semi-gloss enamel.
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Old 04-22-2009, 11:01 PM   #42
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this may be too late but here goes. i had thought behr was good paint and mostly i had good luck with it, no complaints. However, last year we painted in our new ICF home and had some odd things happen. we thought we had done something wrong in prep (we used quality primer). now it looks like it was the paint. I also had bought a bucket of Kilz primer that was lumpy. i had to pick lumps off rollers and the wall.
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so what happened to the BEHR rep?? hope he didn't get fired for starting this storm. from what i can see; Behr/HD spend their money on advertising/product placement[in this case at wrong price point] and not on quality or training of their sales people.
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...Behr/HD spend their money on advertising/product placement[in this case at wrong price point] and not on quality or training of their sales people.
Sadly the paint manufacturers have nothing to do with Home Depot or Lowe's employee-wise.

It's tough to get good training in when the turnover is so high in the retail stores. And more often than not, you don't have paint department associates covering the department all the time, it's more like the guy from flooring, or Home Decor or w/e...
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Just bought a condo which is painted all white interior and am in the process of repainting each room. I'm currently on the living room (my first room) and have just bought my third can of Behr eggshell for $25 - I figured 2 cans would do the job - wrong. The stuff is so thick I can't believe it - it's like molasses in January. And even with that it still isn't covering properly. I am constantly having to go back over faint white spots. I have tried rollers up to 3/4 inch but it still leaves white spots. I hate it.

In that price range, which I don't regard as being cheap, where do I turn for the rest of my job? BM, SW, Other?- are BM & SW in that range? How about the big competition - Valspar at Lowes - is it worth a try? My goal is to find a paint that is thinner, that will cover well and won't leave me with a sore arm when I finish the day. Please let me have some suggestions. I don't want to make a career of this - I'd like to finish reasonably quickly!

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