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Old 02-26-2008, 06:27 PM   #1
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Bath Remodel- Prime then Mud, or Vice Versa


Starting a bath remodel and I need some advice. Gutting most of the bath but leaving the majority of the DW intact. I will have a lot of patch work due to some moisture issues and some rework where it meets newly installed cement board around tub. I also will be putting new DW on the ceiling (easier then skimming it out).

My question is on the already painted areas. Do I want to Mud/Skim and then prime, or do I want to prime first so the mud has something to stick too? I'm thinking the latter... It might almost be easier to rip everthing to the studs and reDW the whole thing but I'm not too excited about that. I have the skill, just not the motivation...Thanks in advance for the help.

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Old 02-26-2008, 06:40 PM   #2
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If it were me I would prime prior to the mudding giving the mud something to get it's teeth into.

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Old 02-26-2008, 06:47 PM   #3
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I kinda figured. If I have any spots that there is no paper left, should I treat the same way?
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Prime then repair (mud)
Reprime repair areas before painting (or the whole thing if that's easier)

Although it's OK to mud new sheetrock, repairs like this with old sheetrock, you really need to prime before mudding, especially if you are down to the paper

If you are down far enough the paper is ripped off, you may need a specialty sealer such as Zinsser's Gardz to stiffen that fuzz that's left up enough so you can mud
If it's showing, like almost or actually down to the "rock" part, then for sure you'll want to Gardz it
If it's just a little bit, then just a primer should be OK
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I was hoping to get a reply from you Slickshift...you know your stuff. It's definitely going to be through the paper in some areas so I'll go with the Guardz. I'm figuring I will prep, scrape, sand, etc. Guardz it, mud, and then final prime before paint. I have a B Moore down the road from me so I'm gonna get all the paint from there. Thanks again.
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There ya go
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Priming before applying the compound will greatly inhibit the drying ability of the compound (it will take ALOT longer for the repaired areas to dry, even using hot mud).

FWIW: We always compound, then prime.
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FWIW: We always compound, then prime.

I have always used compound then primed.The primer is more to seal the compound as so you will not get flashing.
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I found that the compound would sometimes bubble over damaged drywall if I didn't prime first. Sometimes it would bubble or loosen while or after I was primed the new skim coat and I really hated that. Gardz is good and the price is right. I always prime first. Better safe than sorry. hth, Mike
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If you use some 20 min hot mud on your first coat patching, make sure it's free of lifting paint and damaged paper from existing sheet rock where it was cut, then sand any rough edges where the paper is torn or broke . after that prim and add your remaining coats of mud, I say this because even though the primer will help it grip the surface it will be a long drying process becasue the mud has no where to absorb it just sit there on the previously painted areas until it dries.
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I understand what you all are saying about it taking longer to dry when done over primer. But won't I kinda of have the same drying issue no matter what,because if I don't prime first, most areas already have paint on them...do you follow my logic?
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prime the whole thing with gardz..........

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