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Old 12-16-2012, 11:12 AM   #16
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From the pictures it i'snt really all that bad. Buy a good right angle grinder and a brass wire wheel hold it on edge and lightly hit the swarf. Prime all and paint it. It aint a Piano.
Thanks Jagan and JSheridan. JS asked for some more pictures before it is mucked up and I took a few more as well. I will follow up on the grinder.

Here is the perspective from the area in the other pictures. Back a bit.




Here is an area not mucked up as JS asked. Old cualk is removed. We have to do something about the top layer of the lap. Probably just oil based primer and paint.




This area has not had the old caulk removed yet.




This is an area repaired, primered, and spot painted. Supposedly ready for the real painter. Used Benny Oil base primer, he smudged a bit of caulk over damaged lap siding, smoothed with water and sponge. Painted with Benny latex.




Same are with some distance perspective.




Thanks for everyone's advice. I won't tackle this till after Christmas and I will put together a good plan. If I use the handyman, he will be on a short leash.

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Old 12-16-2012, 05:01 PM   #17
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I appreciate your humility and understanding, not always the case here, and sparks sometimes fly. Thanks for taking the words in the helpful nature they were meant.
It seems like you have a clue, so between what you know and the help you can receive here, this can be pulled off. We do counsel HO's to do this stuff, but I guess I thought you were less informed and at the mercy of the handyman. My bad.
I would ask your questions a little more directly, clearly, and individually, rather than posting a variety of points of inquiry in one mega post. Sometimes a question that's more important to you might get lost.
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I would step lightly with a grinder. There doesn't really seem to be a lot of failure. The one pic with the scraped wood would feather out nicely with a sander and some 80 or 60 paper. I don't know about the Texas environment, but in this area a lot of exterior spackling doesn't fare well with temperature caused expansion and contraction. I prefer a mix of feathering rough edges, living with them, or use spackling sparingly.
I would suggest a lightweight vinyl spackle for filling nail holes and small repairs. Over fill the hole and sand lightly when dry. Instead of caulk.
Also, it looks like your guy could use a wet rag and finger when smoothing out the caulk, and also a little more care and control.
Things to be mindful of,
Any exposed wood should get a good sanding with at least 80 weight paper to remove any dead surface fibers and get to a sound surface.
Don't just lay on primer. Priming wood requires brushing it into the pores and grain. "Massaging" it into the wood if you will. Never apply primer with just a roller. You can apply it with one, but back brush it in.
Be sure any type of previous sheened coating gets a good scuff sand to promote adhesion of the new finish. Be sure you dust surfaces before applying any caulk, spackle, primer/finish. Carry an old 3" paint brush.
Any caulking and spackling is done after priming.
Be sure any voids where moisture can enter are filled, even the smallest. Don't surface caulk joints, fill them.
Use a quality exterior finish. Relative to labor, materials are cheap. Short sighted people spend innumerable hours of hard labor preparing their home, their investment, for painting, and then decide to buy a cheap paint to protect it. Doesn't make sense.

I'm sure others will have additions, but these are the basics to be mindful of when doing exterior prep and finishing. Good luck.

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jsheridan, Yes Thats why I said soft brass wire wheel on edge. The problem with sand paper is that it wont get into the grain pattern to get the sealant fill out. When you hit elastomeric sealant with sand paper it just turns into little balls as it rolls off, because it IS elastomeric. I really dont think that the poster needed backerod at all from what I can see, but its hard with photos. Seems like a nice properly tooled fillet bead would have been fine. Frankly I dont get the separate contractor to caulk, and then to paint. Any painting contractor worth anything knows how to caulk, and would rather do it themselves, as Prep is everything, as has been stated by others posting here.
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jsheridan, Yes Thats why I said soft brass wire wheel on edge. The problem with sand paper is that it wont get into the grain pattern to get the sealant fill out. When you hit elastomeric sealant with sand paper it just turns into little balls as it rolls off, because it IS elastomeric. I really dont think that the poster needed backerod at all from what I can see, but its hard with photos. Seels like a nice properly tooled fillet bead would have been fine. Frankly I dont get the separate contractor to caulk, and then to paint. Any painting contractor worth anything knows how to caulk, and would rather do it themselves, as Prep is everything, as has been stated by others posting here.
Thanks for the followup. I was going to ask what swarf was. I see. I should just hit the hardy lightly with the wheel and knock off the smudge.

I tried mineral spirits, alcohol, and sand paper and got nothing. I would never have thought of a grinder.

I can always replace the trim or turn it backwards but I can't really replace the new lap siding. I was just going to prime the smudges and paint. Now I will try to get the smudges out with the grinder.

I agree that the handy man caulking idea was not good.

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I'm sure others will have additions, but these are the basics to be mindful of when doing exterior prep and finishing. Good luck.
Many thanks. Wish you were in Dallas. Will follow your suggestions.

There is no spackling. Just sealant and/or primer.

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Many thanks. Wish you were in Dallas. Will follow your suggestions.

There is no spackling. Just sealant and/or primer.

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Keep us posted
Thanks again for all your help. I did get a good paint contractor. Turns out my siding guy had a good one as a subcontractor. Here it is how after two coats of SW Super Paint, a little natural deck stain and oil base primer on the raw wood.







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Very nice looks like you hired the right painter.
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Beautiful job! Love the colors!!! SuperPaint is DaBomb.
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Very nice work. I especially like that cream color trim against the green for this project.
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Very nice looks like you hired the right painter.
Thanks. Credit to the carpenter/GC as well. I should have just let him run with it from the start but didn't realize he did paint. They replaced a lot for the trim and rotten sills, replaced bad masonite with hardy, put in zbar above the trim piece and primed the back of porch underpinning so it would hold paint this time. He also came back and inspected after the painter was done. He cost more than some of the other contractors but his work is better.

I really appreciate all the advice here. It helped me know what to ask for.

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Beautiful, colors, workmanship, looks great. A house to be proud of. Nice work.
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