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Old 03-23-2012, 05:16 PM   #16
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"I would still use a primer after First Coat to seal the wall and minimize flashing. BM Fresh Start 023 would be perfect."

So Aura's self priming doesn't help in this regard? I get confused with all the primers...

And I did call USG today, they pretty much went with the if its sanded, no gloss, very clean...washed down with a damp cloth etc.. that the first coat would be fine... so thats good, I hope

Not very much, as paintguy said,I would use a real primer

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Old 03-23-2012, 05:28 PM   #17
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ok,
so the lineup would then be..
messy walls
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Old 03-24-2012, 06:25 AM   #18
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ok,
so the lineup would then be..
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1 coat usg first coat
1 coat primer
2 coats aura

just up and totally forget step #1, put it out of your mind
Bad idea, no, do not do it.
How many real painters have already answered this?
Are the drywall guys professional painters?


Cease and desist on the USG primer!!!
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:40 PM   #19
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It's not necessarily in my mind.. its in the contractors, drywallers and his painters mind. Me I am just trying to finally get the right results. Out of everyone involved in the job either doing or evaluating it.. I have been the only one to express reservations about its use.

On the 2nd paint job.. they did a spot prime of all the mudded areas, soaked the walls with paint and the mud swelled..

I am just trying not to once again wind up with issues such as some of the photos in the beginning and end of this thread:

Drywall Issues

Its also the reason for switching to a matte finish paint.. my original paint sheen is now a thing of the past.

I am also in the bad position, that if I deter them from what they want to do, and they get a bad result, it will be blamed on the fact they were deterred, not what the real reason may be. I've already expressed my reservations about the USG First Coat in this situation. It does however have some really good things like some filling and minor corrective properties.

The question comes down to what is the risk of using it and the result of using it here. I'm not a painter.. I have never heard of the stuff until it was introduced into the equation by the drywallers. Will the walls peel?
Will there be excessive flashing? Awful texture? And I've yet to find anything in my research about the bad results.

I have been looking at alternates, zinsser triple thick peel stop for one, because its thicker. Will that be a good choice? Again, I don't know.

I really just want the magic combination that will give me my home back once and for all. And if I find it and they do use it, for it to not come back and bite me on the butt. That's why I went with Aura. I felt it was the safest bet and would do the best job, as it came down to-- we will use whatever paint you want us to use due to the situation.

And thats my sorry little story.
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Just let them do it that way. It is a waste of a step, but i don't think it will be a problem.
The First coat- like I said many posts ago, is much like doing a skim coat. it will make everything equally porous rather than equally sealed. then if they prime it next with a primer/sealer- that will make it equally sealed, which will be a good base for the finish coat.

BTW- Aura Matte is an awesome finish- you will not be disappointed in it.
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Old 03-24-2012, 05:25 PM   #21
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It's not necessarily in my mind.. its in the contractors, drywallers and his painters mind. Me I am just trying to finally get the right results. Out of everyone involved in the job either doing or evaluating it.. I have been the only one to express reservations about its use.

On the 2nd paint job.. they did a spot prime of all the mudded areas, soaked the walls with paint and the mud swelled..

I am just trying not to once again wind up with issues such as some of the photos in the beginning and end of this thread:

Drywall Issues

Its also the reason for switching to a matte finish paint.. my original paint sheen is now a thing of the past.

I am also in the bad position, that if I deter them from what they want to do, and they get a bad result, it will be blamed on the fact they were deterred, not what the real reason may be. I've already expressed my reservations about the USG First Coat in this situation. It does however have some really good things like some filling and minor corrective properties.

The question comes down to what is the risk of using it and the result of using it here. I'm not a painter.. I have never heard of the stuff until it was introduced into the equation by the drywallers. Will the walls peel?
Will there be excessive flashing? Awful texture? And I've yet to find anything in my research about the bad results.

I have been looking at alternates, zinsser triple thick peel stop for one, because its thicker. Will that be a good choice? Again, I don't know.

I really just want the magic combination that will give me my home back once and for all. And if I find it and they do use it, for it to not come back and bite me on the butt. That's why I went with Aura. I felt it was the safest bet and would do the best job, as it came down to-- we will use whatever paint you want us to use due to the situation.

And thats my sorry little story.
so does water

Just follow brush's advise and let em do what they want,I guess
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So now they are not using first coat any more..

They have now decided to use Porter speed hide...

Is this a bad thing? I can't find much telling me anything one way or the other on it...
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Much better than first coat.
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So will that seal as well, or will they have to use a sealer as well?

Thanks so much for the input!

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Is speed hide a primer?? If so, it is news to me.
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http://www.ppgporterpaints.com/produ..._dtl/index.htm
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Thanks,I have not seen that yet. It will work just fine
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I really don't think I am liking the priming result with the speedhide.

Perhaps my expectations are too high? Perhaps its because they seem to be doing a rushed sloppy job, with horrible prep. Nothing like priming dusty walls etc. And they are trying to compensate for the hours they should be here and aren't by speed priming.

As far as helping with imperfections... nope... and more and more pinholes and larger small holes seem to be developing, and it isn't doing a darned thing for nicks and other small stuff.

For a high build primer it doesn't seem to be very uniform. More of an uneven coverage. Chunky rough brush marks and stripes. Pencil showing through even.

The contractor was so sure the primer was going to make his drywall repairs look great. It hasn't happened. The same concerns and issues I had prior to prime remain, and seem to be growing.

Or is this normal?

The ceilings also have had alot of drywall repair and it looks like they are only spot priming those? Would it not be better to prime the whole surface?

It's been a very rough week here, as they have done @ 10k of damage unrelated to this, so I am stressing. I just want to make sure I am properly stressing over things I should be. However, the bright side is the damage necessitated the removal of one of the worst walls.

Thanks for any input.
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