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Old 04-02-2011, 08:29 AM   #46
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You cant let one bad experience sour you on ever hiring someone again.

Our neighbors hired a landscaper to do a ton of work on their place. Well, one day their big dump truck was parked on the hill in front of our house. It slipped from park and rolled through our yard and landscaping. Before we even knew about it, they had come to our house, apologized, and sent another crew out to immediately replace everything. I was impressed, got their card, and have them scheduled for work next month.

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You cant let one bad experience sour you on ever hiring someone again.

Our neighbors hired a landscaper to do a ton of work on their place. Well, one day their big dump truck was parked on the hill in front of our house. It slipped from park and rolled through our yard and landscaping. Before we even knew about it, they had come to our house, apologized, and sent another crew out to immediately replace everything. I was impressed, got their card, and have them scheduled for work next month.
oh i know, its just frustrating, and thats how we feel and will for a few weeks or months.
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new doors need painting all four sides/edges to maintain warranty. new house construction all door hardware comes off, i pay painters to do this and reattatch. everything gets one prime, two finish
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new doors need painting all four sides/edges to maintain warranty. new house construction all door hardware comes off, i pay painters to do this and reattatch. everything gets one prime, two finish
holly crap, thank you.....where were you all this time...
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i was able to remove the oil paint from the floor.....rather simply, with goof off, it didnt seem to affect the finish. It was tracked down the stair case too, (you can see we are using bright orange, our exterior is bright green, so we have those colors as well as a grey that was tracked through out....well plus the white latex, but like i said, the latex just peels off.

one of the guys spelled out the word 'dance' on our fridge with our kids alphabet magnets.

I will take some blame as well, for not being precise with what i wanted, and assuming things.

I think thats the end of this story, for now.

caution, below. please dont get all offensive, it may seem like im bashing, but im not, i would like thoughts on this though.

i cant comprehend how painting around hardware could ever be acceptable, even if you dont get it on the hardware, there is still a huge difference in appearance between the look of the stuff being painted around, and being removed and replaced back after painting where it goes (no matter how good you think you are at it).

I mean really, its really not standard to paint the hole where the latch goes or the trim behind the hinges....(no wonder im always looking at places and wondering why the hell they didnt paint that, i always assumed they DIDNT hire a professional, and that maybe the person who painted it owned it and didnt care.) And i can tell you im not the only one who thinks this way. Everyone i work with agreed they should have removed all of this stuff and painted with out having to be asked. So basically, if your wondering why customers arent completely satisfied, its probably because a lot of people assume that a 'painter' would actually 'paint' EVERYTHING, even if its not going to see the light of day for 10 years. They just dont say anything about it.

I am pretty sure there are more reasons to paint things than just looks. Everything, and every part of it showing or not needs paint, it helps protect things and make them last longer. When someone hires a painter, they expect the painter to cover everything.

Plus, even if its the "industry standard," not to remove these things, its flat out lazy to me, and no matter how professional you are, i highly doubt it could ever look nice to me (but thats me, and i could be proven wrong one day)

But i also believe they should remove all lighting fixtures as well, and im sure all of you would freak out that i said that, cause its electrical oh no, so scary....3 wires....oooohhhh noooo, boogy mans going to get you. Thats why they have a breaker box.

Most people probably unhappily accept it and go on, because they are tired of someone in their home, especially someone whos not doing what they expect, and they just want it all to be over with. Lets face it, not everyone is all "im going to tell them off and get in their face," some people have trouble in situations like that even opening their mouth. They are all probably "well he is professional, so i guess you dont paint that." Why not just do an awesome job, and paint everything, even if its not industry standard.

I can tell you plain and simple, most people assume your going to remove all this stuff.

But i guess that could be based on different areas as well. I could see a northerner freaking out over a painter removing a door or something electrical, i mean northerners rarely do any of this stuff themselves, they probably think they need to call an electrician out to remove outlet covers and their contractor out to remove the doors before the painter comes....here in texas we usually do everything ourselves unless, we get rich, or are from the north....

i was removing light fixtures and doors and painting my parents house when i was 12-14, somewhere around there.

anywho, there is no reason to get all upset over anything i said, it doesnt pertain to everyone, and i didnt intend any rudeness, and some of it was merely joking, but thoughts on it would be entertaining.

later dudes, i got a sidewalk/patio to have done before the wifey gets back......and beers to drink.

Yes in texas beer time on the weekends is about 9 am.....

im glad tpolk showed up....
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caution, below. please dont get all offensive, it may seem like im bashing, but im not, i would like thoughts on this though.
It does sound like you're bashing and crying about spilled milk

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i cant comprehend how painting around hardware could ever be acceptable, even if you dont get it on the hardware, there is still a huge difference in appearance between the look of the stuff being painted around, and being removed and replaced back after painting where it goes (no matter how good you think you are at it).
I'm not saying it should be done, what I am saying is that most painters will (and should) exclude removal of hardware from their scope of work. If you want it removed and painted, then the HO or GC needs to hire a carpenter to do it. Do many problems can happen when things are removed willy nilly

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But i also believe they should remove all lighting fixtures as well, and im sure all of you would freak out that i said that, cause its electrical oh no, so scary....3 wires....oooohhhh noooo, boogy mans going to get you. Thats why they have a breaker box.
Really flippant, and poorly thought out.

So it is your belief that these individuals who could not correctly stir paint should essentially remove and replace much of the final trim wiring in your house? In much of the states such work requires aan electrical license. Also, since it would be safe to assume that incompetent and unsafe painters would probably perform worse as electricians, how would their insurance cover the fire damage to your house and incinerated family?

On further projects, when you are asking for bids, be sure to put such wishes on your spec sheet. Then the contractor can bid it as such.

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i was able to remove the oil paint from the floor.....rather simply, with goof off, it didnt seem to affect the finish. It was tracked down the stair case too, (you can see we are using bright orange, our exterior is bright green, so we have those colors as well as a grey that was tracked through out....well plus the white latex, but like i said, the latex just peels off.

one of the guys spelled out the word 'dance' on our fridge with our kids alphabet magnets.

I will take some blame as well, for not being precise with what i wanted, and assuming things.

I think thats the end of this story, for now.

caution, below. please dont get all offensive, it may seem like im bashing, but im not, i would like thoughts on this though.

i cant comprehend how painting around hardware could ever be acceptable, even if you dont get it on the hardware, there is still a huge difference in appearance between the look of the stuff being painted around, and being removed and replaced back after painting where it goes (no matter how good you think you are at it).

I mean really, its really not standard to paint the hole where the latch goes or the trim behind the hinges....(no wonder im always looking at places and wondering why the hell they didnt paint that, i always assumed they DIDNT hire a professional, and that maybe the person who painted it owned it and didnt care.) And i can tell you im not the only one who thinks this way. Everyone i work with agreed they should have removed all of this stuff and painted with out having to be asked. So basically, if your wondering why customers arent completely satisfied, its probably because a lot of people assume that a 'painter' would actually 'paint' EVERYTHING, even if its not going to see the light of day for 10 years. They just dont say anything about it.

I am pretty sure there are more reasons to paint things than just looks. Everything, and every part of it showing or not needs paint, it helps protect things and make them last longer. When someone hires a painter, they expect the painter to cover everything.

Plus, even if its the "industry standard," not to remove these things, its flat out lazy to me, and no matter how professional you are, i highly doubt it could ever look nice to me (but thats me, and i could be proven wrong one day)

But i also believe they should remove all lighting fixtures as well, and im sure all of you would freak out that i said that, cause its electrical oh no, so scary....3 wires....oooohhhh noooo, boogy mans going to get you. Thats why they have a breaker box.

Most people probably unhappily accept it and go on, because they are tired of someone in their home, especially someone whos not doing what they expect, and they just want it all to be over with. Lets face it, not everyone is all "im going to tell them off and get in their face," some people have trouble in situations like that even opening their mouth. They are all probably "well he is professional, so i guess you dont paint that." Why not just do an awesome job, and paint everything, even if its not industry standard.

I can tell you plain and simple, most people assume your going to remove all this stuff.

But i guess that could be based on different areas as well. I could see a northerner freaking out over a painter removing a door or something electrical, i mean northerners rarely do any of this stuff themselves, they probably think they need to call an electrician out to remove outlet covers and their contractor out to remove the doors before the painter comes....here in texas we usually do everything ourselves unless, we get rich, or are from the north....

i was removing light fixtures and doors and painting my parents house when i was 12-14, somewhere around there.

anywho, there is no reason to get all upset over anything i said, it doesnt pertain to everyone, and i didnt intend any rudeness, and some of it was merely joking, but thoughts on it would be entertaining.

later dudes, i got a sidewalk/patio to have done before the wifey gets back......and beers to drink.

Yes in texas beer time on the weekends is about 9 am.....

im glad tpolk showed up....
Why do you make comments about people in the north. As an owner of a leading painting company I can tell you that not every one works sloppy with no integrity like your painters did and that a lot of company's go above and beyond with customer service, because a legitimate painting contractor know that his name and reputation is on the line with every project. I can say that our company provides exceptional customer service along with quality work and that's why we are successful and a lot of our work is from repeat customers. There are three sides to every story, yours, theirs, and the truth. A lot of things are standard practice in the coatings industry, but unfortunately not every painter follows them. All painting company's are not alike. You had a bad experience, but hopefully learned a little from it. It is a two sided street. Just as there are illegitimate, unprofessional contractors there are also home owners that will shaft a contractor in a second if they could.
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Why do you make comments about people in the north. As an owner of a leading painting company I can tell you that not every one works sloppy with no integrity like your painters did and that a lot of company's go above and beyond with customer service, because a legitimate painting contractor know that his name and reputation is on the line with every project. I can say that our company provides exceptional customer service along with quality work and that's why we are successful and a lot of our work is from repeat customers. There are three sides to every story, yours, theirs, and the truth. A lot of things are standard practice in the coatings industry, but unfortunately not every painter follows them. All painting company's are not alike. You had a bad experience, but hopefully learned a little from it. It is a two sided street. Just as there are illegitimate, unprofessional contractors there are also home owners that will shaft a contractor in a second if they could.
Perfectly stated. The OP did get a crappy painting job, that is clear. But to insult a entire trade and the portion of the country north of the Mason-Dixon line is tiresome. He made ass-umptions based on this incredible scope of work he did when he was 12. The fact is that some of what he wants done (removal of electrical trim items) is illegal. He needs to stop complaining to us, and write angry letters to his members of congress
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In most states a licensed electrician is needed to mess with electrical work. A professional painter can paint doors while they are on the hinges with out leaving brush marks. In general if the doors need to be removed it would cost more, which is obvious, because there is more time involved. Sometimes trying to re hang a door that's been removed can be a problem, as you may have stripped holes. I've painted 100s and 100s of doors both metal and wood without removing the doors and there are no brush marks once so ever on our doors. So it is possible to paint them while there hung.
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It is also difficult to reinstall hardware and hang doors without getting the doors greasy or scuffed. Life is a series of trade-offs.
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I almost always remove door and door frame hardware, but I would never, ever, take the hinges off the door or frame. The last thing I need, as a painting contractor, is to compromise the integrity of a hinge by removing it from it's cutout. I take some electrical fixtures off completely sometimes, if the time involved saves me time during, or makes possible, the painting. It's not something I enjoy doing because I'm not an electrician. It may be just three wires, but it only takes one wire to start a fire. If I don't mess with it, there's no fire. If you have certain idiosyncracies, they're yours, you can't assume that everyone is attuned to them, especially when dealing with industry standards. As was stated time and again, if you want those things done you must make that apparent up front so the contractor can calculate the extra effort in the bid.
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I finally get Pretzles' problem. He expects people to do MORE than industry standard without being paid more 'cause he thinks it's lazy if they do not.

Guess that makes just about every person who expects to get paid for the job they do 'lazy' for not going above-and-beyond for free.
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It is pointless to come on here and complain as we are not there to actually see what's happening. My feelings are this: if you are seeking perfection, or near perfection, do the job yourself.
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I'm not saying it should be done, what I am saying is that most painters will (and should) exclude removal of hardware from their scope of work. If you want it removed and painted, then the HO or GC needs to hire a carpenter to do it. Do many problems can happen when things are removed willy nilly



Really flippant, and poorly thought out.

So it is your belief that these individuals who could not correctly stir paint should essentially remove and replace much of the final trim wiring in your house? In much of the states such work requires aan electrical license. Also, since it would be safe to assume that incompetent and unsafe painters would probably perform worse as electricians, how would their insurance cover the fire damage to your house and incinerated family?

On further projects, when you are asking for bids, be sure to put such wishes on your spec sheet. Then the contractor can bid it as such.
i know they are flippant...

and the only bashing intended are for unprofessional professionals...so theres no reason to get offensive

you dont have to get all serious on me. they are obviously for the most part ridiculous remarks ridiculously stated.

but i do think it should be the painter to point out that they arent removing these things unless asked, or should tell us if we do, we will have to hire someone to or do it ourselves. how are we non painters supposed to know this isnt what their supposed to do?

is that really something you would disagree with.

im not talking about contractors hiring painters, im talking about regular people/homeowners who hire them to paint their house or business.
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Why do you make comments about people in the north. As an owner of a leading painting company I can tell you that not every one works sloppy with no integrity like your painters did and that a lot of company's go above and beyond with customer service, because a legitimate painting contractor know that his name and reputation is on the line with every project. I can say that our company provides exceptional customer service along with quality work and that's why we are successful and a lot of our work is from repeat customers. There are three sides to every story, yours, theirs, and the truth. A lot of things are standard practice in the coatings industry, but unfortunately not every painter follows them. All painting company's are not alike. You had a bad experience, but hopefully learned a little from it. It is a two sided street. Just as there are illegitimate, unprofessional contractors there are also home owners that will shaft a contractor in a second if they could.
its just joking around man....calm down.

all of your statements are obviously correct...

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