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Old 03-31-2011, 05:33 PM   #31
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And just to be honest- I almost always give a proposal- so that the client and I are on the same page. I seldom get one back all signed up. They usually say in an email- go ahead. That's it.
But they have seen what i think is the scope of the work written out, and have a chance to say that's right- or not. And I bill from that proposal, signed or not.
So it's not real hard core- but to get both on the same page is important, expectations from both sides need to be clear. And verbal is nice -written is much better. No misunderstandings if it's spelled out- at least some.

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Looks like an interesting thread. I'm out of town and look forward to chiming in when I get back fri pm or sat am. Hang tough pretzels.
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Looks like an interesting thread. I'm out of town and look forward to chiming in when I get back fri pm or sat am. Hang tough pretzels.
if your not on my side, go ahead and NOT reply.....haha j/k
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i took a couple pics with my wifes point and shoot....ill try to link them... i would rather not break out all my professional camera equipment to catch most of the problems.....since i would require lots of lights and light modifiers to catch most issues....in a camera.....its easy with the naked eye.
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heres a link. this is not much, but it shows a few of the things, some things didnt show up well so i didnt add them..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61280032@N06/
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heres a link. this is not much, but it shows a few of the things, some things didnt show up well so i didnt add them..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61280032@N06/
That's "professional" work?
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Old 03-31-2011, 11:47 PM   #37
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as professional as it gets out here in the woods....
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now im finding globs on my nicely painted baseboards, on my freaking couch, and in the door jambs as well.....apparently they needed to 'cut in' with a brush for about a foot around our a/c control panel too....its like their messing with me now.....who swirls around a control panel that many times?

i have a 16 camera dvr system that i have been waiting to install......wish i would have done it sooner....this might have been entertaining for us all...

i think i have come to the conclusion that i am going to let them just paint the drywall again, and the exterior parts cause those are like 2 stories up, and my scissor lift is broken and its the main reason i couldnt finish the exterior myself. They seem to be doing at least some what decent out there.....(or im imagining it cause id rather not have to climb a latter or set up scaffolding myself.)

whats the 'professional' way of dealing with nail holes in walls, nail holes in baseboards, drywall imperfections, things of that nature......do you include that in a bid, or does a customer really have to point all of this out.....

why would they call painters putty, painters putty if the painter has to be specifically asked to use it.....im just sayin

why does painters putty end up leaking some yellow discoloration through paint? what would cause that? is that normal?

the orange paint in the pictures is sherwin williams- sher khem or whatever its called
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as professional as it gets out here in the woods....
That's why I do my own work.
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That's why I do my own work.
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Ok, initially this sounded like someone with really high expectations that weren't met but after looking at those pics I gotta say, you have a case pretzel. Those things just leap out at you and paint spilled on furniture or blinds is definitely beyond the bounds of acceptability. I am a lousy painter, hate having to do it and if lousy painting was an Olympic sport I think I could at least bring home a bronze but even I wouldn't do some that.

But look on the bright side, you did get one very valuable thing out of this, the next time your wife says she's tired of you working on the house and wants to hire a contractor, you're golden
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I agree, you have some pretty bad looking paint there. It really has nothing to do with resi or commercial work, that wouldn't cut it anywhere.

As far as the hardware; painters won't (or shouldn't) take hardware off. It would be incumbant on the GC (you) to do so if it affects the finish of the paint. Most painters can deal with door hardware, except for the hinges
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I agree, you have some pretty bad looking paint there. It really has nothing to do with resi or commercial work, that wouldn't cut it anywhere.
Yes, that wouldnt fly anywhere....and ive seen some pretty lousy work. Thats not the worst ive seen though, so look on the bright side
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its friday, theyve been here since 9....

its turned into a joke.....

the head guy like tried to stand one of the orange metal doors up to spray it out in our 'field'. The wind like blew it over on him.....i think it hit him in the head. Then he got the other 2 doors that are metal that need to be orange, He made an effing fort out of them....he like stood them up like a 3 walled building, taped them together or something.

(I peaked around the corner of the house to see that....) I almost lost my cool, but started laughing...

The head guy is on his phone every 10 minutes, he seems to just be walking around.

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the nightmare is gone and over.....i guess

The drywall looks nice now.

Get this. I was talking to the head dude. He was talking about what they did when they were here before. He some how told me that they just shook the five gallon bucket, and motioned with his hands. A five gallon bucket....just shook it....no wonder there was water on top....he said with those big buckets you really got to get down there and mix it, and motioned like he was using on those drill bit mixers. so basically i think he, or one of his guys just shook the 5 gallon buckets a couple times.

In one of the pics i had posted, it showed what looked like a wall that just got cut in....

Nope, they painted half the place with the watery top......

he said the primer just looked like someone rubbed some milk on the doors......it clearly looked like a coat of paint when i put it on.

he washed the hardware off, did a decent job on the interior doors this time, and the orange doors are just crap...

found paint on hard wood floors.....luckily it came up easy.....(the latex always does,, but this was the oil base sher khem...it scared me when i saw it.....looks like some one tracked it around.

again, our house is a metal building, and the only thing to paint on the exterior was exposed i-beams and some 4x4 metal beams. They brushed/rolled them on the first time, but you could clearly see the redish/brown primed metal underneath. So i told them it needs another coat. They got to work. He came and asked me to check it. I was like "ok, but im sure its good now since you did another coat" he was like, "well, we didnt do another coat" so i went to look, it looked ok, but wasnt happy, i wanted two good coats, i want it to be covered good and last longer. I told him to do the rest (cause he just did a little at that point) they went on doing other things. I reminded them to do the rest, i was ignored again....

at this point i was starting to get a really bad migraine (i get them, and they make me feel really sick, really the worst, like cant move, get dizzy, it doesnt go away until after i sleep it off overnight usually) i feel like im dying, seriously. So i just wanted this to end and them to leave......so from that point i was like whatever....

lesson learned.

in the end, the drywall looks nice now, the interior doors are acceptable, and the orange exterior doors are trash, (but we plan on replacing them sooner or later), other exterior stuff acceptable....

very disappointed in the experience and painter....

i kept my eye on them most the time.....pretty, sloppy work ethic, and the way they did things.....

no more hiring people....

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