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Old 03-31-2011, 12:56 PM   #16
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by the way....

The paint for the doors and exterior is sherwin williams paint that is over 50 bucks a gallon.....its the most expensive crap they sell. sher khem or whatever its called, industrial paints.


only the drywall paint is OLYMPIC Premium low voc paint.

I am not talking about where the hardware goes. Im talking about they apparently could not fit whatever tool they were using around the hinge to cover the area around it. So with the hardware installed, theres raw unpainted stuff showing.

The paint is clearly peeling off because they let the paint dry around the hinge before they removed it.

How am i supposed to know that your supposed to have a contract with a painter.......i thought they just painted things you asked them too.....i called 'professionals' from a phone book. I looked up reveiews for everyone, none of the companies existed online.....no body within 100 miles of me knows what the internet is.

the reason i had a list was not to be EXTREME.

I had painted lots of stuff in the house, i did not want them to repaint things, so i clearly stated what should and shouldnt be painted.....i did not tell them how to do it on the list i gave them.. The painter asked what tools i used while going over everything, he acknowledged....

I totally thought i could trust them. so i didnt want to be all picky when talking to them or on the list cause i know that doesnt go over very well. Like yall said....if i was asked to do a job, i wouldnt want someone to tell me how to do it, just what needs to be done.

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Old 03-31-2011, 01:03 PM   #17
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Dosnt sound like you had a contract. A 2 page list of things to paint isn't a contract. That should have been a sign when the contractor didn't present you a clearly outlined contract, including what was going to be painted and the number of coats.
You're not from around here, are ya?

In the South, contracts like that are not typical on small jobs.
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Give them a chance to fix it. Honestly, most products look like crap with one coat. If you want to paint the doors yourself, tell them.


From what it sounds like, these guys are commercial painters. Not custom home painters. What is acceptable in the commercial world, doesnt fly on the residential side. With the economy being the way that it is, commercial guys are branching into residential and vice versa to try and stay alive. Its rough out there for these guys. Im not making excuses, just trying to give the other sides point of view. You say that nobody came to bid. Well, you said that 1, you live far away. Thats probably a big turn off for most guys. Giving a free estimate when the vast majority of their calls are just "tire kickers". Gas is expensive, and those free estimates cost their company time and money, not to mention their closing rates are lower as well as overall pricing.
Exactly, thats all i suspected. And i completely agree with you. I figured that there might be different types of painters that base most their work on different types of jobs, but i thought that was me assuming something.

My home is completely custom, and we are doing everything very precise and perfect. It is a green home, that if you saw it, not to toot my horn, but looks like something from dwell magazine. (Im not snobby) We moved far away in the country to do this.

I completely understand how i could have expected more than what is normal.

But, Lets just break it down to what is really the main issues, not what i expected, or little things i am picky about.

Im talking about the swirls around door knobs,....peeling paint.....drips, runs...brush marks........no communication this is with the expensive paint....
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You're not from around here, are ya?

In the South, contracts like that are not typical on small jobs.
Yes let me make that clear also....

Maybe i havent done much work with contractors, but my parents have.....i have never seen a contract in my life down here....in texas.

I have hired or my parents have hired flooring companies, framers, metal building builders, brick layers, ......and im talking several different ones, from different areas, throughout my life time......

never seen one....


thats why im confused when someone mentioned the contract thing
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You're not from around here, are ya?

In the South, contracts like that are not typical on small jobs.
Why would a contract not be used? It clarifies what is expected of both parties and binds both parys to there commitments. I won't even schedule a client for a project unless they have signed a contract
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Dont feel guilty about the contract... a small job should have included an invoice or estimate with specifications on it. This would or should have detailed what you expected and what they provided. In either case you will know how to proceed in the future. At any point did you stop them while working and give them instruction as to how you wanted the work done? Its your money.

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W typicly never mention coats in our contracts unless something is discussed ahead of time. We will just paint as many coats as it takes. It is rare that walls or trim wil need more than 2 and we can uaually spot that ahead of time and account for it in the bid.

To the OP. Some things are amiss. Taping of hardware is a no-no. Paint can get under tape and give you a false sence that you have painted right up to the hardware only to pull the tape and reveal a 1/16" ring around a doorknob. Pro painters can make the job look almost the same wether they took the hardware off or not so it is just a matter of convience.

"They cut in the drywall with a brush....i have painted 3 houses in my life not counting this one, and more than once....i have never used a brush."

Cutting in with a brush is the industry standard. How did you cut in the wall to the ceiling with a roller?

Using a roller on the trim is fine as long as you back brush it. Nothing looks cheaper than orange peel on trim.
Painting of the tops of the door is only done if there are stairs near and you can see it.. The bottom of the door is usually not done since it is typicly not a finished surface.
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People just don't do contracts. It's tradition. It might go back to a time when many people never learned to read and write.

We had an addition put on our house with a handshake. If you start asking for contracts you scare off a lot of contractors. Especially the good ones. I don't know if they get worried you're going to sue them, or if they think you're questioning their integrity, or what, but that's pretty much how things are done.

I'm sure big projects do get contracts, just not small ones. Like if you were building a house I'm pretty sure you'd need a contract to get a construction loan.

Also, it's not uncommon to get a written estimate that will provide some details and then engage the person to do what they provided an estimate for, which is functionally similar to a contract in many respects.
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You may want to compile a list of items that need correction and your concerns about the project. Set up a meeting with the painting company and discuss your concerns and what needs to be corrected. Giving the painters one chance to make the corrections and let them know that you are not happy and that the outcome was not what you had expected. I do agree that if you where furnishing paint they should have told you that they needed more.
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Dont feel guilty about the contract... a small job should have included an invoice or estimate with specifications on it. This would or should have detailed what you expected and what they provided. In either case you will know how to proceed in the future. At any point did you stop them while working and give them instruction as to how you wanted the work done? Its your money.

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no, my wife went to my parents house, which is right by our house on the same land, and i went to work.....my wife wouldnt know what to tell them to do if she stayed home.

(we locked important crap up, haha)

i dont like people hovering over me when im doing something for them.....

ill be there friday.
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W typicly never mention coats in our contracts unless something is discussed ahead of time. We will just paint as many coats as it takes. It is rare that walls or trim wil need more than 2 and we can uaually spot that ahead of time and account for it in the bid.

To the OP. Some things are amiss. Taping of hardware is a no-no. Paint can get under tape and give you a false sence that you have painted right up to the hardware only to pull the tape and reveal a 1/16" ring around a doorknob. Pro painters can make the job look almost the same wether they took the hardware off or not so it is just a matter of convience.

"They cut in the drywall with a brush....i have painted 3 houses in my life not counting this one, and more than once....i have never used a brush."

Cutting in with a brush is the industry standard. How did you cut in the wall to the ceiling with a roller?

Using a roller on the trim is fine as long as you back brush it. Nothing looks cheaper than orange peel on trim.
Painting of the tops of the door is only done if there are stairs near and you can see it.. The bottom of the door is usually not done since it is typicly not a finished surface.
Well i always had trouble with the brush marks and it basically just wipes the paint on then off....so i always use a four inch roller, or even a six inch. All you do is smash it real good in the corners, (sounds unprofessional) saturate it with paint, (if you do it correctly and roll it all out, there is no drips or runs.) then roll all over it and smooth it out toward the wall, this way you cut in a good amount (so much more compared to a brush), so when you roll the walls, its so much easier to blend, and you dont have to get close at all the the trim or the edges when your doing the main part of the wall. you can get away with one coat, if you do this too. because one coat with a brush doesnt cover as well as a roller (this is merely my experience) this of course probably wouldnt do well if you have different colored walls touching....

this is a brand new house, with only one coat of primed drywall......
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Why would a contract not be used? It clarifies what is expected of both parties and binds both parys to there commitments. I won't even schedule a client for a project unless they have signed a contract
cause this isnt the north where people are snobby and act like turds and sue everyone....

down here, we are nice, and usually let way to much slide....

(for the most part this is both truth and a joke) haha
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People just don't do contracts. It's tradition. It might go back to a time when many people never learned to read and write.

We had an addition put on our house with a handshake. If you start asking for contracts you scare off a lot of contractors. Especially the good ones. I don't know if they get worried you're going to sue them, or if they think you're questioning their integrity, or what, but that's pretty much how things are done.

I'm sure big projects do get contracts, just not small ones. Like if you were building a house I'm pretty sure you'd need a contract to get a construction loan.

Also, it's not uncommon to get a written estimate that will provide some details and then engage the person to do what they provided an estimate for, which is functionally similar to a contract in many respects.
agree with everything. i have seen some major things go down on just a handshake or a nod of the head.

but yes, for some tile i had laid, i got a paper that had how much labor cost, how much each material cost.....that was about it.....not what they would be doing. and that was probably only because women handled the actual business part. i dont think men fill out paper work in texas......haha....its to feminine

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I guess the south is getting to know what the rest of us already know- if it isn't in the contract it doesn't exist.
Sorry- i don't think the "that's not how we do it " thing works. And here is a good example.
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Wellll, for what it's worth, I am not in the deep south ( Maryland) and I was in the business( wall paper, painting etc) for almost 20 years and never had or was asked for a contract. It was probably stupid and certainly not a good business practice but I only got burned once in all those years.I think it depends on location.

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