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Old 12-30-2013, 04:06 AM   #46
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These questions about licensing led me to my state's licensing website…in my state (TN), apparently painters are required to be licensed as Home Improvement Contractors when the work they'll be doing is priced at more than $3K. My job is definitely more than that. My painting company (and the individual that owns it) is definitely not licensed, even though they say they are. Awesome.

I guess that's on me for not doing the research; I had no idea this license verification website even existed. Also, I've run the name of every painter I've come across in my research through there and NONE of them are licensed. There are only 1.5 pages' worth of Home Improvement Contractors licensed in my area (the rest haven't renewed or were denied), and some of them are just individuals' names so maybe they could be painters, but there are only SEVEN companies with the word "paint" in their name that are licensed in my area. Seven!

I Googled all seven of them and there is virtually zero information about them online. None of them have websites or reviews online.

How is a consumer supposed to make the right decision when it's so hard to get good information? Word of mouth isn't reliable since everyone I heard about isn't licensed. Awesome website obviously isn't reliable. Are we just supposed to assume that companies that are licensed are better and we should go with them? Is there some kind of penalty for stating that you're licensed when you're not? How do all these painting companies get away with operating without a license?! It's all so confusing.

Go to your local Ben Moore( Sherwin, PPG, etc ) and ask. Do NOT ask @ the big box stores

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Old 12-30-2013, 05:02 AM   #47
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How is a consumer supposed to make the right decision when it's so hard to get good information? Word of mouth isn't reliable since everyone I heard about isn't licensed. Awesome website obviously isn't reliable. Are we just supposed to assume that companies that are licensed are better and we should go with them? Is there some kind of penalty for stating that you're licensed when you're not? How do all these painting companies get away with operating without a license?! It's all so confusing.
It's a pain in the neck. There is Angie's List, which I like, but some people are negative about that too.

One technique I'd use is to hire someone to do a small job (just paint one small room, for example.) You will get an idea of how good they are. You would be surprised though. Even if you came right out and said to them "I'm going to evaluate the quality of your work in this room. If it's good, I'm going to hire you to paint my whole house." You'd think they'd give it their absolute best effort. You'd be very surprised how many ****ty paint jobs you'd get doing that.
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The caulking issue really surprises me. Even the cheapest caulking in the world holds up for a few months before cracks appear.
Yeah, but it's definitely cracking - not hairs or dirt or anything like that.
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No, I didn't. What I said is in plain sight to read.



Whatever pal. You're the genius with the ancient Chinese secret that you didn't want to share with this forum, let alone her contractor. According to you, it's so valuable you can't even share it in a public forum, so how is a hack like that guy supposed to know?

No, you don't "have" to remove the old caulk, and no, I wouldn't recommend having that contractor remove it anyway. He's going to cause more problems than he fixes. Millions of miles of cheap caulk have been used in this country, and a lot of it is just fine. I don't recommend using it because it's often enough not fine. But that doesn't mean a second coat of the same caulk won't help.

Anyone such as yourself who talks in absolutes and extremes is usually going to be wrong.
Jeff, I think you said more than enough. You have been trying very hard to bait me into arguing with you for a few posts now. I will not come down to your level and you may as well leave it alone now. You know you are wrong, I know you are wrong and most GOOD painters know you are wrong.
It is very uncomplimentary and a good indication of a persons IQ when they start demeaning others online with statements like "You sound like one of those guys that I don't want to get trapped talking to at a cocktail party", "Do we seriously need to copy that entire thing?", " Oy vay. Yes, we know you're very special, we get it", "Whatever pal. You're the genius", and the like.
I was trying hard to help Sloan get out of a jam. I was not trying to get into a argument with the likes of you. Keep pushing my hot buttons, it's ok.

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I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but I can paint. I would never caulk over old caulk. That just don't look right. Getting a consistent bead of caulk the whole run through requires that you be willing to fix any gaffs as you make them because the stuff skins over pretty fast. The pictures I looked at clearly show someone was in a big hurry and botched the caulking then painted it before it had set enough. It doesn't have to cure all the way because the paint is somewhat flexible too but it has to cure enough before you slap on the paint. In your situation I believe I could fix the caulk without stripping all of it. Most of the little cracks are in the paint rather than the caulk so just re painting it will work. Depending on how bad the gaffs are touch up may be possible. It is not old caulk yet so you have a little lee way there. Make them do what they promised.
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It's difficult to find any good contractor and painters seem to be the worst. We had the home painted for 5k with a friend of a friend. Our friends went to dinner with these folks, golfed with them... Knew them really well.

On the job the guy was friendly, but cut corners at any opportunity. Damaged our floor pulling the refrigerator out, didn't feel like painting in a corner because "no one will see that, " etc.

Very disappointing. We had on our contract to use Benjamin. Moore and found out a year later that he used Glidden.

My brother had painters over that would steal his beer in his fridge.

Good luck out there!
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It's difficult to find any good contractor and painters seem to be the worst.
This is in poor taste.
Not all painters are the worst.
And no. I'm not a painter.
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This is in poor taste.
Not all painters are the worst.
And no. I'm not a painter.
Think he meant,
Painters are the worst when you are trying to find a good one.
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This is in poor taste.
Not all painters are the worst.
He didn't say or imply all painters are the worst. But as a general tendency and anecdotally speaking, I'd have to agree with him.

My friend (owns renovation company) hired a painter to paint a kitchen when he was done fixing it. The homeowners were to be out of town for the weekend, so he started Saturday, and they were to return Sunday afternoon. He decided to get into their beer supply Saturday evening, never started painting, feel asleep on their living room floor, which is where they found him when they returned earlier than expected Sunday morning.

We all know bad contractors in all the trades, but everyone I talk to tells me painters have the worst reputation.
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I don't know how long it takes caulk to cure, but I know they definitely caulked and painted the trim in the same day.
Drying and curing are generally 2 different things. Painters like to use cheap, fast dry caulks such as Alex Fast Dry specifically for that reason - so they can paint over the caulk almost immediately. Alex Fast Dry claims you can paint in 1/2 hour. Top Gun 140 claims 1 hour. It wouldn't surprise me if they painted over it in 10 minutes, hence the cracking while the caulk finishes its shrinking underneath (1 possible explanation for your results).

However those manufacturer claims have to be taken with a grain of salt. For example, they have no idea how thick the bead of caulk is that you're applying, or how deep the crack goes that you're filling, so they really have no way of knowing how long your specific caulk job will take to dry.

Gymschu recommends waiting a day, which is always safer. For most paint crews in the current industry, it's just not going to be acceptable if a painter tells his boss he's got to wait until the next day to paint it. The boss will tell the painter that everyone else can do it in the same day.

When caulking the angle between a wall and trim, the trim and wall are different colors. i.e. I'm not painting that wall paint edge completely over the full caulk bead, only over the edge of the caulk, where it is very thin, and can dry very quickly. A situation where you'd be painting over the full caulk bead would be when caulking the transition between trim pieces.
http://homeownerbob.files.wordpress....1/100_0923.jpg

But as you can see, that caulk is very thin, and wouldn't look like your situation. Looking at your photos, it seems like they might have applied a thicker bead of caulk than needed, and then painted over it too quickly.
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Thanks for all the input guys, this is really helpful information.

Tomorrow is the showdown: they're supposed to finish up, the owner is supposed to do his own little walk-through, then tell us when he is done. He's told me he knows there are "areas of trim that need more attention", so it will be interesting to see what things look like when he deems it finished. I doubt he's expecting what we're going to say: you need to re-do virtually all of it.

Really discouraging how hard it is to find a decent painter. Perhaps this is another threads' worth of advice (I suspect others would be interested to hear pros' inputs), but I have no idea how to go about finding someone else to fix the trim if it comes to that. Do pros suggest hiring only painters with a license? That really makes things slim pickins where I live.
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The best painters might not bother with the license, and the worst painters might get one to look more legit. Doesn't do you much good. Angie's List is a good start.
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The best painters might not bother with the license, and the worst painters might get one to look more legit. Doesn't do you much good. Angie's List is a good start.

I already suggested going to a real paint store and asking, they are not going to recommend hacks.
I would trust angies list about as much as consumer reports ( like, not at all)

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