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Old 12-29-2013, 10:06 AM   #31
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JackoD, I'll PM you as soon as I get the requisite 15 posts. This forum won't even let me reply to PMs sent to me until I hit the magic number 15.
Ok, as it seems my PM isn't working on this forum, here is my "ancient Chinese Secret", it's called "work" here in the U.S.
The caulk can be removed by carefully cutting it away with a utility knife and then, peel it away. I make a double cut line the entire length of the section I am repairing first, then peel. Simple as that... peel. As it is still fresh yet has had enough time to set and cure it will peel away easily. After score cutting it, use the point of the blade to get under the caulk and pry it up, then start peeling away. There won't be any "scraping" as someone else mentioned, to do. To make sure the new caulk will adhere properly, it’s important to remove any and all the small bits and pieces of old material. You can use a clean dry paint brush and take your time. That's all there is to it. Have a great day.


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Old 12-29-2013, 11:39 AM   #32
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Jacko….tried to send you a private message but it said you've elected to not receive them and/or aren't allowed to receive them. Maybe you can send one to me?

I do have a question for y'all about wood paneling. We have some in a small area of our house that has some pretty deep/intricate grooves between the panels. Paint has pooled and globbed up in these grooves and it looks terrible. I assume the cause was them using a roller to go over them, but I wasn't here when they did it so I'm not sure. What is the solution for that? One of the painters suggested caulking the grooves for a smoother paint job, but the company owner didn't want him to do that. Couldn't they just paint the grooves carefully with a brush instead of rolling over them? Seems to me that would create a fine result, although I'm not sure what they should do to fix the pooling that's already there from their first coat.

There's also gap in the caulk at the crown molding where the grooves are. Those should be filled in, right?
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OK guys, I created an album on here with photos of some of the issues so you can see what I'm talking about. For some reason this site flipped them all sideways when I uploaded them and I can't figure out how to flip them back so they're right side up, but it'll at least give you an idea.
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3. Suboptimal surface prep. The contract states all areas to be painted will receive a light sanding and filling of nail holes or minor imperfections. When I've been here while they're working, I haven't seen anyone sand anything. I've seen several nail holes just painted over with no filling at all. In some areas the old paint is peeling and it looks like it was just painted right over.
I see a lot of areas on the trim that needed a lot more work than "light sanding"
The peeling paint needed to be feathered out, all loose paint removed first.
Would this fall into the light sanding category? Pros?

There's a ton of work required to get the trims to look good and I'm sure he didn't price it that way.
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I see a lot of areas on the trim that needed a lot more work than "light sanding"
The peeling paint needed to be feathered out, all loose paint removed first.
Would this fall into the light sanding category? Pros?

There's a ton of work required to get the trims to look good and I'm sure he didn't price it that way.
That's the way I see it too. This looks like trim that has had many coats of paint applied and is in rough shape. I would have quoted this job three ways. Customer's choice.
I would offer removing the trim that is bad and replacing it with new. Next I would offer removing the trim that is bad and completely strip it down to the wood using a heat gun outdoors and then paint it. Finally I would offer sanded and painted OFF the wall if it is more than just a few areas. Also, depending on the amount of bad trim involved, simply sanding and painting in place could be just as expensive to do or more so than removal and stripping it down. I am almost positive this is a lead situation. The amount of lead protection required and involved brings the cost up enormously, and there is no way out. As we all know, the EPA fines for cheating the system are very high. And I wouldn't want lead dust in your house, or mine. If it's only bad in a few small areas, I could do it in place right on the wall. I would use a MEK based paint stripper and sand out to feather using my true HEPA vacuum.

The cut work on the paint job and the caulking is terrible from looking at the few pictures, by the way.

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The caulking issue really surprises me. Even the cheapest caulking in the world holds up for a few months before cracks appear. It is very possible that they caulked and didn't let it dry properly before priming/painting over it. If they did that, then you would see cracks in the PAINT or PRIMER on top of the caulk that is not completely dry.

Caulk also attracts dust and dirt when it's wet which could be the other problem associated with the caulking. Just trying to throw a few things out there………After applying caulk, I always wait a day or two before priming or topcoating.

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Yea, the only thing I know that will make interior caulk crack like that is painting it before its cured all the way. Freezing can cause that too, but I doubt it could have froze inside even that close to the windows.
Most likely the cold and condensation around the windows slowed the drying time of the caulk. When uncured caulk is painted over and the paint film dries over it, the movement (shrinkage) of the caulk as it dries can crack the paint film like we're seeing in the pics.
I have also seen similar problems from caulk that was previously frozen, or subjected to extreme temp changes before application.

I'm not sure that removing the caulk is a good option in your situation at this point.
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Oh no, please don't tell me he is going to say good things about Alex and Dynaflex products?

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Jacko….tried to send you a private message but it said you've elected to not receive them and/or aren't allowed to receive them. Maybe you can send one to me?
There's also gap in the caulk at the crown molding where the grooves are. Those should be filled in, right?
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<> There's also gap in the caulk at the crown molding where the grooves are. Those should be filled in, right?[/

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Sloan where did you find this painter? Please tell me it wasn't Craigs or Angie's list. If you don't stop him now it will only get worse. THIS MAN IS NOT A PAINTER.
Call and find out if painters in your location need a license if they do have an inspector come out. Because either this guy doesn't have one or if he does it needs to be pulled.
This guy is not only hurting you he is hurting everyone who ever held a paintbrush and went into someone's home to do a professional paint job. He is giving each of us a black eye.
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Sloan where did you find this painter? Please tell me it wasn't Craigs or Angie's list. If you don't stop him now it will only get worse. THIS MAN IS NOT A PAINTER.
Call and find out if painters in your location need a license if they do have an inspector come out. Because either this guy doesn't have one or if he does it needs to be pulled.
This guy is not only hurting you he is hurting everyone who ever held a paintbrush and went into someone's home to do a professional paint job. He is giving each of us a black eye.
Haha! I'm glad to be affirmed that this guy sucks. I found him online; literally nobody I know can recommend any painters (everyone I talk to says their painter was just meh) except for one friend who I don't fully trust recommended some Mexican guy who works for himself. I wasn't comfortable going with a not-legit company for such a big job, so I started researching companies on my own. I found this guy through the BBB; I figured it was a good sign for a company to bother being BBB certified and have a good grade. I got four different estimates and chose this guy (he was not the lowest estimate).

It may be true that my trim requires more than a light sanding, but I don't feel like it's my problem that his quote might not be accurate. He walked through my house and looked at everything prior to giving me the estimate, and on the list of work to be done he clearly wrote "All trim prepped and painted". To me, that means you will do whatever prep it requires and paint it. He did not give me choices between different prep methods with different price points. I feel that I deserve to have the trim done in a professional manner for the stated price because that's what we agreed upon.

Funny that not a single one of the painters I got quotes from mentioned anything special about lead paint. Awesome.


P.S. When you say "Call and find out if painters in your area need a license", call who? What would an inspector do?

P.P.S. Jacko, still says you're not receiving PMs. Dang technology.

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The caulking issue really surprises me. Even the cheapest caulking in the world holds up for a few months before cracks appear. It is very possible that they caulked and didn't let it dry properly before priming/painting over it. If they did that, then you would see cracks in the PAINT or PRIMER on top of the caulk that is not completely dry.

Caulk also attracts dust and dirt when it's wet which could be the other problem associated with the caulking. Just trying to throw a few things out there………After applying caulk, I always wait a day or two before priming or topcoating.
I don't know how long it takes caulk to cure, but I know they definitely caulked and painted the trim in the same day. They were painting the trim in almost no time, so I assume they caulked and painted immediately afterward.
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These questions about licensing led me to my state's licensing website…in my state (TN), apparently painters are required to be licensed as Home Improvement Contractors when the work they'll be doing is priced at more than $3K. My job is definitely more than that. My painting company (and the individual that owns it) is definitely not licensed, even though they say they are. Awesome.

I guess that's on me for not doing the research; I had no idea this license verification website even existed. Also, I've run the name of every painter I've come across in my research through there and NONE of them are licensed. There are only 1.5 pages' worth of Home Improvement Contractors licensed in my area (the rest haven't renewed or were denied), and some of them are just individuals' names so maybe they could be painters, but there are only SEVEN companies with the word "paint" in their name that are licensed in my area. Seven!

I Googled all seven of them and there is virtually zero information about them online. None of them have websites or reviews online.

How is a consumer supposed to make the right decision when it's so hard to get good information? Word of mouth isn't reliable since everyone I heard about isn't licensed. Awesome website obviously isn't reliable. Are we just supposed to assume that companies that are licensed are better and we should go with them? Is there some kind of penalty for stating that you're licensed when you're not? How do all these painting companies get away with operating without a license?! It's all so confusing.

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