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Old 09-26-2010, 10:33 PM   #16
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WHOAH, WHOAH, WHOAH!!!! Hold on here! Trust me, if it is ALREADY PAINTED, STICK TO PAINT!!!!!! Only prime if the surface is peeling, raw surface, cracked, chalky, i.e. not a clean, sound surface. So, apply two coats of superpaint, after you determine if it needs primer or not. Now listen closely to this: ALL A SOLID ACRYLIC STAIN IS IS A WATERED DOWN PAINT!!!! Why, why, would you use a solid acrylic stain on top of primer? IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE. it will still peel like paint! you might as well just use a good 100% acrylic exterior low sheen PAINT. flat's do not hold up outside as good as an enamels. THE ONLY TIME YOU WOULD USE A SOLID ACRYLIC STAIN IS ON TOP OF A ROUGH SURFACE THAT IS STILL RAW WOOD, AND ONLY APPLY TWO COATS OF THAT, NO PRIMER. IF THERE IS A COAT OF SOMETHING ALREADY, PAINT IT.

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Old 09-26-2010, 10:35 PM   #17
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I think most will agree that once it has been painted then you need to stick with paint. Stain is designed to soak into the wood and a previoisly painted surface will not allow that.
MATTHEW1970 took the word right out of my mouth. listen to him!!!
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WHOAH, WHOAH, WHOAH!!!! Hold on here! Trust me, if it is ALREADY PAINTED, STICK TO PAINT!!!!!! Only prime if the surface is peeling, raw surface, cracked, chalky, i.e. not a clean, sound surface. So, apply two coats of superpaint, after you determine if it needs primer or not. Now listen closely to this: ALL A SOLID ACRYLIC STAIN IS IS A WATERED DOWN PAINT!!!! Why, why, would you use a solid acrylic stain on top of primer? IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE. it will still peel like paint! you might as well just use a good 100% acrylic exterior low sheen PAINT. flat's do not hold up outside as good as an enamels. THE ONLY TIME YOU WOULD USE A SOLID ACRYLIC STAIN IS ON TOP OF A ROUGH SURFACE THAT IS STILL RAW WOOD, AND ONLY APPLY TWO COATS OF THAT, NO PRIMER. IF THERE IS A COAT OF SOMETHING ALREADY, PAINT IT.

Thank you for the clarification. You mention to prime if the surface is chalky. My existing painted HardiPlank siding is, in fact, chalky. The painting contractor that I am working with has proposed to soft wash the siding using Jomax with bleach to clean the siding and remove the chalking. They then are proposing to use an Emulsa Bond additive to the first of two coats of SuperPaint. Would this be sufficient, in your opinion, to address the chalky siding or would I still need a first coat of primer?
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Thank you for the clarification. You mention to prime if the surface is chalky. My existing painted HardiPlank siding is, in fact, chalky. The painting contractor that I am working with has proposed to soft wash the siding using Jomax with bleach to clean the siding and remove the chalking. They then are proposing to use an Emulsa Bond additive to the first of two coats of SuperPaint. Would this be sufficient, in your opinion, to address the chalky siding or would I still need a first coat of primer?
If you clean the chalk off, you do not need to prime. and i would only add the emulsa bond to the first coat of paint.
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Correct. INFACT, you are NOT supposed to put Emulsabond in a second coat per the instructions.
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If you clean the chalk off, you do not need to prime. and i would only add the emulsa bond to the first coat of paint.

Perfect, that is exactly what they are intending on doing...
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Since having stained HardiPlank installed in 2005 we have had a BIG problem!! The stain was factory applied by a Hardi approved factory- Duckback Products- and is peeling off the siding. This started after just 2 years while the stain has a 12 year warranty. We are still in the process of having them honor their warranty.

They no longer offer the stain process and that leads me to believe that they must be aware of problems!!

Does anyone here have or know of others with this problem??

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I am going to be repainting the exterior of my house which has HardiPlank siding and cedar trim. Would it be better to use two coats of solid color stain (i.e. Sherwin Williams Woodscapes) or to use one coat primer (i.e. Bullseye 123) and one topcoat of paint (Sherwin Williams SuperPaint)? I am looking for the option that will give me the best look and longest life.
Woodscapes makes an excellent primer on various surfaces such as HardiPlank. It (Woodscapes) provides a handsome, matte finish (which I prefer on siding) and with at least 2 coats and it will ensure even, complete coverage with long lasting results. I'm a professional painting contractor and I've been using Woodscapes for 15 yrs and Ive experienced outstanding, long-term results with it. I've been in the business for 30 yrs and no longer use oil-based solid stains as I've found they are unflexible, become too brittle and break down when exposed to sun light. The last 2 jobs I currently completed I previously did 10 & 11 yrs ago with Woodscapes (with the same proceedure), and they were both still in fairly good shape before I re-painted them.
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It's been a while since I posted on this, but NEVER use oil stain on hardiplank siding. water based stains and paint work much better on that surface.
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if it is already painted. . . stick with paint. paint lasts longer than stain anyway!??! the only advantage of a stain is that it will go directly to bare wood. .. but the longest label warranty on any stain on the market is 8years (woodscapes) most all paints offer at least 10-15 .. . some lifetime. that tells you that when primed and painted you are way better off than 2 coats stained.
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In this case, paint is better. Yes, it lasts longer, HOWEVER, STAIN is easier to apply and maintain. It fails easier. IF DONE RIGHT, all stain does is fade away, and you just clean the surface, (maybe light sand) and re-apply. Paint lasts longer, yes, but there's more steps to it and takes longer to apply (due to paint peeling when it fails) so you have to scrap, sand, prime, then apply two coats finish to do a good paint job. BUT, I do not mean to confuse you........use a high quality water based, 100% acrylic finish, best ext paint is Ben Moore's Aura:http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/f...4&advs=0&tab=2. And be sure to use a good quality primer as well, that's key (if the surface hasn't been painted before OR is in bad shape or has an old finish). Good luck.


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