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Old 07-11-2011, 05:05 PM   #16
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Last time I used Behr primer and paint in one it was donated to a NFP for whom I volunteer. Took three coats to cover and I found it hard to work with as compared to what I am accustomed to. I guess it is sticking to the walls.

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The point is AGAIN- if your painting over paint, the whole primer thing is mute ( unless you're needing adhesion over a very glossy surface like oil enamel or varnish) Go ahead! Paint! - use whatever! I'll use stuff that works well and covers great.
But if you have an actual NEED FOR A PRIMER- do you know what that need is? And can you say it, out loud?
Primers are problem solvers. If you don't have a problem, you don't need one. If you do- use a primer.
Really simple.
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Brush is right, primers are problem solvers, and are not always required when re-painting, unless of course you have a problem. Most primers handle about two-three different solutions, but rarely are they "universal". Glossy surface with tannin knots would require BIN shellac, which sticks to gloss and covers knots. Without the knots, Cover Stain would cover the gloss issue. If ultimately finishing new drywall with a sheen, you're better using an underbody (sealer) versus a flat, straight drywall primer. The only time I would prime entire previously painted surfaces is on a low budget job where I might use a tinted bonding primer as the first coat to skip the sanding, if the surface is particularly old and the paint surface is degraded, or the amount of spot priming is so extensive that a full prime is easier and more effective. But, as said, you have to know the problem you need to solve prior to choosing the primer. As to what Mustang said, when you press the companies on whether the primer/paint will work in your particular situation, they have always replied that it's better to prime using conventional primer. They're talking out of both sides of their mouths.
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Faron79 had the best response to this i've seen... Sometimes, a little thinking can get you the answer you're looking for. Credit goes to Faron79 for this text.

Where I work, we sometimes kid the people asking about the "All in ones"....

Sometimes I'll say-
"How does the PRIMER in the can know how to get to the wall FIRST....?!"

THAT usually gets-'em thinking!
THEN...they often realize what bunk it is!

Besides....
IT'S NOT REALLY A SEPARATE "Primer" in the can anyway!!!

>>>> The main resins themselves are often made a little "denser", thereby taking on "kind of" a primer function. But is it really a separate primer....?!?!?

H#ll NO!

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Yea that sums 'er up pretty good. Going have to remember that one!
Thanks Faron!
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These products are marketed as miracle paints, where everything is coated in one application. Most premium products in any paint line (specifically on drywall) are self-priming. What this means is that you don't need a separate primer. I agree completely that primers are mandatory on metal, wood, and other substrates. My problem with this terminology is that the consumer or applicator will skip necessary preparation steps.
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Priming is a PROCESS which you do prior to painting. If you do not prime the wall, then you are just painting.

These products are marketed as "paint+primer combo" substances, but they are not. They are simply paints for which the MFR deemed you do not have to prime beforehand.

Personally, if you are doing anything but the smallest (<1 gal) job, its worth it to prime before you paint.

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I will try to help you out a bit Mike.

You get what you pay for!!!!!!!!!!!!

The box store paints (HD, Lowes,Walmart) are there for the novices!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even the Cheapest paint from SW or BM will give you better proformance then the high end at the box stores.

If you are going to live with this paint for any time span, do yourself a favor and go with ANYTHING but what the box stores have available.

Price is one thing, but if you are going to live with it for 3 or 4+ years, please think what the small difference in cost is to get something that will look good and last -- not even to mention the ease of application and touch up.

Good, I did not have to add to the I hate Behr thread to get my thoughts in.
No disrespect intended, but your statement regarding the best big box paint not being equal to the worst factory paint store lines completely wipes away any validity to your post. You can't tell me, with a straight face, that SW PMC is or Property Solutions is equal to a Lowes High End, THD High End, Ace High End or whoevers high end paint. There are tremendous differences in the amount and types of solids used in these paints. Now, if you stated factory paint store high ends are better than big box high ends I might or might not agree depending on the brand or sub-brand. One of the biggest factors is the type and quality of colorant used. Big Box stores typically use a lower grade of colorant which allows a cheaper price on product. This also has an effect on hide, fading, and etc.
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The point is AGAIN- if your painting over paint, the whole primer thing is mute ( unless you're needing adhesion over a very glossy surface like oil enamel or varnish) Go ahead! Paint! - use whatever! I'll use stuff that works well and covers great.
But if you have an actual NEED FOR A PRIMER- do you know what that need is? And can you say it, out loud?
Primers are problem solvers. If you don't have a problem, you don't need one. If you do- use a primer.
Really simple.
Mute= silence Moot = pointless!
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I will try to help you out a bit Mike.

You get what you pay for!!!!!!!!!!!!

The box store paints (HD, Lowes,Walmart) are there for the novices!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even the Cheapest paint from SW or BM will give you better proformance then the high end at the box stores.

If you are going to live with this paint for any time span, do yourself a favor and go with ANYTHING but what the box stores have available.

Price is one thing, but if you are going to live with it for 3 or 4+ years, please think what the small difference in cost is to get something that will look good and last -- not even to mention the ease of application and touch up.

Good, I did not have to add to the I hate Behr thread to get my thoughts in.
Again, no disrespect intended, this is a DIY Chatroom which would typically imply a "Novice". Sorry, it frustrates me when I see posts that push people to pay more for a product than absolutely necessary. Tons of people change their color combinations based on trends and what not. My wife is a perfect example. If I followed your advice to shop at a factory paint store I would be bankrupt paying for paint. It really depends on your taste, style, and frequency. If you like change go Big Box. If you like to paint it and leave it go Factory.
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Again, no disrespect intended, this is a DIY Chatroom which would typically imply a "Novice". Sorry, it frustrates me when I see posts that push people to pay more for a product than absolutely necessary. Tons of people change their color combinations based on trends and what not. My wife is a perfect example. If I followed your advice to shop at a factory paint store I would be bankrupt paying for paint. It really depends on your taste, style, and frequency. If you like change go Big Box. If you like to paint it and leave it go Factory.
Absurd! If money and frequent color changes are the client issues I will pick paint store contractor grade from a real paint store over box store crap any day and save money. It will apply like paint, not water with some pigment in it too! Of course most of my clients would have fired me on the spot bringing any Behrly or Valspurt on to their property.
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BM "ben" ( a fine mid grade paint) is about the same $ as Behr.
SW Super paint is also.

I did a job a couple of weeks ago with Behr Ultra. Worked ok.
I do not like buying custom colors from HD though. Never real sure what you are going to get.
And don't ask for advice. I have to bite my tongue standing there listening to some of the "advice" being given.
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BM "ben" ( a fine mid grade paint) is about the same $ as Behr.
SW Super paint is also.

I did a job a couple of weeks ago with Behr Ultra. Worked ok.
I do not like buying custom colors from HD though. Never real sure what you are going to get.
And don't ask for advice. I have to bite my tongue standing there listening to some of the "advice" being given.

you got that right
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Absurd! If money and frequent color changes are the client issues I will pick paint store contractor grade from a real paint store over box store crap any day and save money. It will apply like paint, not water with some pigment in it too! Of course most of my clients would have fired me on the spot bringing any Behrly or Valspurt on to their property.
To each his own... I have a former SW chemist who sits in the office next door to me that would die laughing at this post. And no, I do not work in the paint industry. Could care less which products get purchased as long as the end result is accomplished.
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To each his own... I have a former SW chemist who sits in the office next door to me that would die laughing at this post. And no, I do not work in the paint industry. Could care less which products get purchased as long as the end result is accomplished.
My Mom was an analytical chemist and research librarian for what is now Valspar. She is long gone but would cringe at what the paint she worked so hard to perfect has turned into.

Lay you 10 to 1 odds your chemist co-worker has never had to apply paint on a regular basis.

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