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Old 11-26-2007, 08:40 PM   #16
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1-part epoxy floor paints - how's the hide on these?


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I compleely understand. It would be easier to find a few hours for a touch-up, compared to finding a LOT more time to do a complete "do-over". I myself have never used any of the 2-part stuff, and after reading these posts, I feel my decision would be as yours is. Good luck with your painting job.


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Old 11-26-2007, 10:32 PM   #17
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Joewho - you're making it sound like if I just buck up and drop some extra cash, get the 2 part, and 'do it right', I'll be set.
I want the 2 part stuff, I like it a MILLION times better, I've already said that. The problem is that, even with good brand 2 part epoxies, they still have obscene failure rates!!!!

I feel like people are highly disagreeing with my approach and, in all honesty, I just don't understand your reasons why.

Am I missing something?
All you're missing is faith in this board.
How many times you been here? How many projects have you done after consulting this board? Failurs? Because of our advice?

From you participation here, I really feel you have the skills and ambition to do it. We will help you with the rest. But please, don't assume that if you follow our guidance, it will fail. It's not our track record and it makes me feel like i'm wasting my time.
At least check out what is involved and do it.
Hope you don't take this the wrong way. I just see it in you to do it. I know you can make it succeed.

OK, after all that, if you still want to use 1pt. epoxy, then at least get a protective clear top coat designated for this application
Hope this helps.

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Old 11-26-2007, 10:33 PM   #18
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sorry duplicate post.

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Old 11-27-2007, 06:41 PM   #19
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All you're missing is faith in this board.
How many times you been here? How many projects have you done after consulting this board? Failurs? Because of our advice?

From you participation here, I really feel you have the skills and ambition to do it. We will help you with the rest. But please, don't assume that if you follow our guidance, it will fail. It's not our track record and it makes me feel like i'm wasting my time.
At least check out what is involved and do it.
Hope you don't take this the wrong way. I just see it in you to do it. I know you can make it succeed.

OK, after all that, if you still want to use 1pt. epoxy, then at least get a protective clear top coat designated for this application
Hope this helps.
I'm sorry man I definitely, definitely did not mean to come across that way in the least. You guys are awesome and my house looks almost 100% different than when I bought it, and this place has been an amazing resource that has easily halved the time I spent doing the repairs/renovations, and more than doubled how well they came out.


The thing is not that I don't think you guys know how to do these, or that you won't help properly - it's a matter of practicality. You guys can tell me 100% perfect instructions, but I can mess up a part and not even notice it. Maybe I left some moisture behind, maybe I didn't rinse my acid out enough, etc.


This isn't a decision I've taken lightly, in fact I've been poking around on the subject and even posting here on it for at least 4 months now. It's probably just a comfort thing, if I really think about it. If I do the 2 part epoxy, even if it comes out perfect (well, getting it to be perfect off the bat doesn't seem to be the issue that causes the massive failure rates), I'll ALWAYS know in the back of my head that they have a high failure rate.

I guess I'm pessimistic in my work in that way - I think some people look at a finished project and think of how great it came out. I'm the opposite, I stare at my flaws. I know it's not the best approach it's just habit. Any project, I mean ANY project you guys have seen me asking about (and I do the overwhelming majority of anything I'm on here asking about), I see flaws in. I mean, I enjoy my finished projects and everything, but if my eyes wander they always land right on the defects.

That's where, I believe, my resistance lies. I will be STARING at that floor every time I go in the garage. I'll be taking my shoes off before going in there. I won't be comfortable putting heavy stuff on the floor (no more deadlifting in the garage lol), it would just be ridiculous...

If I go with 1 part, I can still treat it like my shop, let the floor get beaten if need be, and touchup when needed which would be simple and quick.








I apologize for the length there but I just wanted to clarify I wasn't doubting, disrespecting, or ignoring anyone here. When the garage floor is done, the comfort level with a 1 part (even though I know it's gonna fail quick anyways, probably even quicker than an average 2 part) is just so much higher for me that I can't convince myself otherwise - as I said before, I *REALLY* like the 2 parts, I love the look with the chips, but I'll be treating that floor as if it were a rennaissance painting lol , and it's my garage, I need it to feel durable and rugged, not something that I need to baby because if I chip it, I'll need to do a whole new floor job.
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I have yet to dabble into this. The pro floor guys use an impressive machine to remove the entire surface of the garage floor to a tectured surface. They then apply two coats of something heavy and a clear. My customers have a finish that only a company that does only these kind of applications will really last. You get what you pay for.
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Joeyboy, your obviously a detail fanatic and I mean that in a good way. I do the same thing on all my projects both professionally and the ones on my own home. We're ultra critical of ourselves and our work, you wouldn't believe the minute imperfections I can see in everything. I was actually costing my company money several years ago because I was spending so much time on the details and clean-up, I drove my employees nuts. One of my sales people and my wife(the bookeeper) told me to knock it off and just make it perfect to the customer! Your passionate about what your doing and you want it to be right. Nothing wrong with that. You need to choose the right application for you and your job and that doesn't make it wrong or of any less quality. It's a Myth that all things that are expensive are of good quality. I know tons of guys that charge out the wazoo and there works marginal.
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Timber- sooo true, and it's sooo hard to stop isn't it!? I try to tell myself not to go overboard on prep, then the next thing I know, like yesterday, I'm *crawling*, at like 1inch/hr., across the garage floor looking for any little imperfections, I mean like the tiniest bumps, to overlay before the epoxy. I was marking them off with post its, anyways I get up from the floor, and about half of it was yellow!!!!! lol at least it'll be nice and smooth haha.




About the epoxy, I'm VERY impressed so far, especially given that it's a behr product (I HATE their regular paints), and a 1 part epoxy. I know time is the real test, naturally, but this stuff went on strong and is hard to get off even a day after you put it down, two days out I can't scratch it with my finger at all, so that's cool.

And the 1 part turned out to be completely clutch for me. As I mentioned, I was smoothing slabs before hitting them with the epoxy. I did some patching that I didn't smooth out enough, so the patches were showing through like crazy after the paint went on. But, because it's a 1 part, I just went out with a brush and put a thick 3rd coat over the bumpier spots, and it made it noticably more uniform.

Also, the ability to just grab a gallon, instead of a more elaborate 2 part mix, is cool because I went and grabbed a darker shade of gray. My slabs/walkways/patio are all a light gray, but accents, thresholds, etc, are a darker gray, it looks really great actually. The only thing I think I'm gonna hate, barring early failure, is that I won't have the cool color chips on the garage slab...


(oh and I may've mentioned the non-skid additives somewhere in this thread as well, I think it's a crystalline silica powder basically. I used that at ~1oz/gallon for a sloped walkway, and you cannot tell there's any texture to it, but the grip is there. I know these will make the epoxy fail quicker, but luckily, even that spot passed the 2nd day fingernail scratch test )
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(oh and another thing, it says 300-400 sq ft / gal, I was getting less than, but almost, 300/gal on my first coats, and probably like 400-500 on the 2nds... didn't measure for the second so that's just a guess, but the 1st coats were getting about 250-275sq ft depending how much old paint was intact on the slab)

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