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Old 08-31-2011, 11:08 PM   #166
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Regarding the "latest discussed thread" where a grandma was concerned about the tile dust that she, her son-in-law, and grandson were breathing...

There is no excuse for the way she was treated. I'm sure she won't come back to this forum, and I don't blame her.

She had every right to be concerned - even paranoid. And she had every right to ask what some of us might consider to be stupid questions.

The sad truth is that, for some reason, this forum has become more of a Smartassville than a Help Forum. That crap needs to be stopped, or this forum will eventually decline to the point of irrelevance.
Baloney!
That woman asked a legitimate question and got a few legitimate responses but she couldn't be happy with the information she was getting so she kept asking the same question if my memory serves me correctly. We weren't saying what she really wanted to hear apparently. I can't find the thread now. I know it was closed but apparently it has now been deleted, wish that wasn't the case.

It wasn't until someone (because of her persistence) said: "paranoid much" and to that I responded "no kiddin".

THEN she accused us of attacking her. She wasn't attacked by anyone and I pointed that out to her in each and every post that was made. She then came back again insisting she was being attacked.

Screw her. Let her go to the Garden Web if she is looking for someone to feed her paranoia. That place is full of frill and lace and niceties.

If some of you guys want to defend that bullchit that's your business but to say that there is no excuse for how she was treated is nonsense. Things don't go awry around here until posters begin to beat a dead horse or make stupid comments. SHE was out of line...no one else.

This forum is a perfect example of the wide variety of personalities and varying levels of intelligence and attitudes that exist in society and the world. This is displayed from both sides, the DIY posters and the regulars that post here.

I gotta tell you I have seen these forums (all forums) go downhill over the past ten years but it isn't because a few people are being mistreated in the opinions of a few. It is because America is dumbing down. This place sees some real illiterates on both sides of the isle. That's a shame but that's the way society is going. The entire country is backsliding.

I am a big offender in the opinion of some people but I'll tell you all what. This place has plenty of excellent Moderators (and Nathan) and any one of them can ban me at any time if that's what they choose to do. This place sees its fair share of idiots, that's all there is to it. I think they are all handled properly and with the level of compassion they deserve. It doesn't take long to read these people and to be able to separate the real people from the morons.

I see no reason to close this thread. That would serve no productive purpose what-so-ever. With the one exception of pissing me off.

I am direct and to the point as most everyone here knows and I am able to slice through most of the bullchit quickly. Don't waste my time with too much nonsense or repetition and redundancy. Maybe those that can't handle honesty and direct language from people in the know should be the ones to move-on. I spend a lot of time here in earnest because that's what I want to do. I want to see everyone treated fairly also but I won't waste my time with idiots.

That woman may never return? And to that I say Good Riddance. She brought nothing productive here and she took away some valuable information. I would say that idiot got her monies worth and more.

Hold on while I go get my violin.

As far as "Smartassville". I say lighten up a little and join the party. This place can be a lot of fun with an excellent curriculum if you sit back and pay attention rather than sitting around looking for things wrong with the way the place is run.

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Old 08-31-2011, 11:18 PM   #167
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Holy crap, Bud. What have you been drinking? Hitting the Vodka to take the edge off the sore knees? Do you actually read some of the crap you write, before you post it?

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Old 08-31-2011, 11:21 PM   #168
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What is that supposed to mean?

Too much for you to read or what?
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:24 PM   #169
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Now that it's been brought up I can tell you that I haven't had a drink in over thirty years and I have never used drugs of any kind other than what the doctor prescribed.

I don't need to take the edge off, my edges are sharp and my mind is clear.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:35 PM   #170
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What is that supposed to mean?

Too much for you to read or what?
My simple observation of that post was, "Methinks thou dost protest too much."

Was the lady being a little paranoid? Maybe. Did she have the right to be? Oh I don't know - a grandma concerned about her grandson's lungs after spending afternoon breathing tile dust? Gee, shocker!

She came looking for answers, got some excellent answers, than some overgrown boys turned into a$$holes. Make all the excuses you want, but that's unacceptable behavior.
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The real unacceptable behavior began when...

SHE, at her age allowed such an obvious hazardous occurrence to run its course before inquiring about the possible consequences. Someone did say that what she did was borderline child abuse and I would agree with that.

She was/is an idiot and she received better than she deserved from us here at DIY Chat.

Besides...you're just mad because we got the State Fair and YOU DIDN'T.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:51 PM   #172
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The real unacceptable behavior began when...

SHE, at her age allowed such an obvious hazardous occurrence to run its course before inquiring about the possible consequences. Someone did say that what she did was borderline child abuse and I would agree with that.

She was/is an idiot and she received better than she deserved from us here at DIY Chat.

Besides...you're just mad because we got the State Fair and YOU DIDN'T.
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FWIW, I read that lady's thread and to be honest, I was surprised at her change of tone and attitude.

She was concerned about her lungs AFTER doing nothing to prevent herself from breathing it in. Not only did she not wear a mask, but she (and her son-in-law) did nothing to protect the grandson. Makes no sense, but okay, it didn't dawn on her until it was too late.

So she panicked and posted the question and got many sincere, helpful replies. This isn't a medical forum. If she's really that concerned and doesn't like the replies she got here, perhaps she should call her doctor.

Then she was joking around about her son-in-law and everything was good. I read what you wrote Bud and didn't find anything wrong with it. After she laughed about the son-in-law comments that were made, then insulted him herself, I was surprised at how she suddenly claimed that she was being attacked. ATTACKED?!

Her whole personality changed and she showed no appreciation for the kind, sincere replies she did get.

Like her, I'm a grandma who does a lot of projects around the house. There are plenty of times when I ask my 6 year old grandson to "help" me. But there are also times when it's not safe for him to be helping. At those times, it's my responsibility as the adult to make the call. Being a grandma doesn't release someone from that responsibility.

Personally, I don't see where she had any room to criticize the boys' father when she was in the room too. Playing the "I'm an innocent grandma and didn't know any better" card doesn't fly. What if they're cutting wood and the boy gets too close to the saw while she's standing there, wouldn't she have some responsibility at that moment to take action to keep him from getting hurt?

Oh well, whatayagonnado?
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Things don't go awry around here until posters begin to beat a dead horse or make stupid comments. SHE was out of line...no one else.
the old "she started it defense": popular on playgrounds everywhere.

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I gotta tell you I have seen these forums (all forums) go downhill over the past ten years but it isn't because a few people are being mistreated in the opinions of a few. It is because America is dumbing down.
So insulting the people you feel are "dumb" and "idiots" is somehow preventing this inevitable decline you have witnessed elsewhere?

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I am direct and to the point as most everyone here knows and I am able to slice through most of the bullchit quickly. Don't waste my time with too much nonsense or repetition and redundancy. Maybe those that can't handle honesty and direct language from people in the know should be the ones to move-on. I spend a lot of time here in earnest because that's what I want to do. I want to see everyone treated fairly also but I won't waste my time with idiots.
The thing I can't understand is if your time is so valuable and you are so interested in seeing people treated fairly, why do you bother responding to the "idiots" at all, let alone go back to see their response?

When someone writes "paranoid much" and you respond " ya think?" how is that not simply adding to the " nonsense or repetition and redundancy " you claim to abhor? Wouldn't the more efficient solution be to simply walk away from a thread where it's obvious the OP isn't going to be satisfied until someone agrees with them?
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Wouldn't the more efficient solution be to simply walk away from a thread where it's obvious the OP isn't going to be satisfied until someone agrees with them?
As I will now do here with your persuit of me.
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As I will now do here with your persuit of me.
I certainly don't expect my comments to change anyone's behavior. I was only making observations based on what you wrote. You seem to have no problem pointing out the flaws in the arguements of others, i was simply taking a page from your book

And while we are on the subject, when someone writes

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Let 'em use a Spell Check...I do. How hard is that?
They should probably try to heed their own advice, at least when posting in that same thread

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FWIW: sub-pimp probably would get through most spell checkers since many will ignore hyphenated words, and even if they don't, both parts (sub and pimp) are found in every english dictionary I've ever come across.
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I realize that there are plenty of us (myself included) who are too harsh or who have an over inflated idea of how funny they are. Generally things get punchy or stupid by post 16 of a thread that the OP is never coming back to. And at that point, who cares if the regulars are being harsh - TONS of good hard lessons are learned when someone tells you, in no uncertain terms, that you are being an idiot.

I am just stunned, however, when regulars on the forum take the time to write comprehensive and informative responses and if the OP doesn't like what they hear they get snarky or down-right rude.

Also, I've seen a number of threads where post #1 is a question and post #2,3 and 4 (posted the same day, sometimes within the same hour) are from the OP insulting people on the forum because no one has responded to their question - which usually seem to run along the lines of "How should I decorate my house" "What color should I paint my door" or other pointless inquiries.

For me the bottom line is: the forum isn't a service people pay for or have a right to Accordingly, they have to take what they get.
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I certainly don't expect my comments to change anyone's behavior. I was only making observations based on what you wrote. You seem to have no problem pointing out the flaws in the arguements of others, i was simply taking a page from your book

And while we are on the subject, when someone writes



They should probably try to heed their own advice, at least when posting in that same thread

FWIW: sub-pimp probably would get through most spell checkers since many will ignore hyphenated words, and even if they don't, both parts (sub and pimp) are found in every english dictionary I've ever come across.
Feel free to make fun of any of my spelling errors or grammatical mishaps.

For what it's worth, IMHO, the sub-pimp stuff was hilarious. And it wasn't any sort of attack against the OP, except for the typo. It wasn't ad hominum and I really don't think that it's justifiable to have hurt feelings over someone teasing you about misspelling something.
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Was the 'grandma','tile','dust' thread removed? I remember reading it but lost interest pretty quickly and never went back to check.
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Was the 'grandma','tile','dust' thread removed? I remember reading it but lost interest pretty quickly and never went back to check.
I see it in the trash bin, yup. Her question was answered and the rest of it was going nowhere. It obviously went there to help keep the forum a friendly place to be. Let's hope incidents like that are few and very far between.

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