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Old 08-28-2009, 05:56 AM   #46
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Is that why people come HERE from other countries for medical care? .
the people that are coming here for medical care are doing so because they have the money to pay for the best. we have some of the worlds best and brightest doctors and surgeons, but they simply aren't available to the general public. we have plenty of talent, its the system being run by the profit driven insurance companies thats the problem

we have an entire segment of our population that we have deemed "disposable" simply because they have no money. a human life should have value, whether you live in a Madison Ave penthouse, or on a Madison Ave steamgrate.




btw: american citizens that can afford it also go to other countries for health care.


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the people that are coming here for medical care are doing so because they have the money to pay for the best. we have some of the worlds best and brightest doctors and surgeons, but they simply aren't available to the general public. we have plenty of talent, its the system being run by the profit driven insurance companies thats the problem

we have an entire segment of our population that we have deemed "disposable" simply because they have no money. a human life should have value, whether you live in a Madison Ave penthouse, or on a Madison Ave steamgrate.




btw: american citizens that can afford it also go to other countries for health care.
Yes we do have the best medical care available. That will not continue to be the case if the new health care bill is passed. We have some of the worlds best doctors and surgeons because of the capitalist environment we live in. Those who work the hardest and become the best at what they do rightfully are able to earn more.

Under the current health care proposal there will be less motivation for the medical community to continue to be the best in the world. If you want proof of this look at other countries who have health care similar to what is being proposed. If you want more insight into it ask your doctor. If its such a great plan how come the medical community is against it? According to you the private insurance companies constantly deny claims and the people of this country can't afford to pay for health care, so why isn't the medical community behind this bill? By your reasoning they will stand to make more money.

People who can afford to go to other countries for medical care do so for highly experimental treatment that are illegal or not yet approved in this country. Another factor to the high cost of treatment in this country is the time it takes for experimental procedures to be approved. The private medical community does not use our citizens as guinea pigs and then charge them for the privilege, go figure. Unfortunately the same can not be said about our government. Do you know how they came up with a cure for syphilis? Did you know they tested the effects of LSD on our soldiers in the 1950's? I wonder how they determined what the effects of various biological weapons on people would be?

Yet you think we need more government in our lives. You want to give the government the power to decide who gets what treatment. Who will get what drugs. Who will live and who will die. If you think the state of health care is bad now, with private companies that know how to manage money so that it is there to pay out claims, let the federal government that has the country trillions of dollars in debt take over and see how much better health care becomes.

Don't get me wrong, if you want to give money or help to those in need I applaud you and your efforts. I have no issues what so ever with helping those who need help (those who are willing to try to better their situations and are not milking the system because they don't want to work or are to lazy to work). I have an issue with having it forced down my throat to help all who need help and the choice of whom and when I help or lend a hand taken from me.
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:08 AM   #48
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I spent the best 14 years of my life (from 18 - 32) defending MY country in the military and fortunately never had to pay the ultimate price for YOUR freedom, liberty, or right to speak your mind, yet here I am with no health insurance or benefits from the VA.
i don't understand your argument, this statement is kinda the whole point of the discussion. our system is broken. Our system doesn't care if you spent 14 years serving our country, or waded 14 miles up the Rio Grande, when it comes to healthcare you are nothing more than a customer, and customers need to provide some source of payment.

And PLEASE, tell me what all these great American jobs are that the illegal immigrants are all taking. They reason they are able to get jobs at all is because we worship cash so much in this country that greedy AMERICAN business owners are willing to risk going to jail to hire illegals so they can pay them substandard wages, make them work ridiculously long hours, and not have to spend money on providing a safe work environment, all so that they can increase their profit margins. One could actually make the arguement that illegals, because they are cheaper, are actually helping to keep companies from taking their operation off shore....

Nobody "steals" a job, somebody has to give it you. If Americans are giving jobs to illegals, then it's Americans that are to blame, and I would be willing to wager in almost every case, greed is the motivating factor.

This is my whole point, we have been so overtaken with greed, that we simply stopped caring about our fellow man. And I do think this is something we should be ashamed of...

Say what you want about illegal immigrants, but at least they have the courage to do something when they don't like whats going on with their goverment. It's easy to sit around and call our elected leaders incompetent, and compare our President to Adolph Hitler, but you don't hear of too many Americans stowing away in the wheel wells of a 747, or drifting 50 miles on a raft made of old inner tubes to go somewhere else.

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All I've got to say is KMA!!! .......
I respect your opinion, and this is mine.
I'm not so sure I beleive that, but it was nice of you to say anyway.

That's it for me, I am resigning from this thread. I appreciate the spirited debate. Now go earn some money so we can put up that border fence!!

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