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Old 07-26-2007, 02:46 PM   #16
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ar15.com mostly. I do have accounts on various other gun boards including 1911 forum.

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Can I ask you something - ar is probably an ar15 site (just assuming). Aren't AR15's automatic weapons, and if that's the case, why are there even boards (unless you're law enforcement/military I guess). I always thought that there was no way a regular guy could get an automatic weapon (I got the 'best' carry permit for my area, but it wouldn't let me get an automatic weapon of any sort, just allowed me to carry a firearm on me, and to be able to use large capacity (pre-ban) clips).
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Comp1911 have you tried Club1911.com we are alsways looking for new members

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You live in Florida, there is no special permit needed for large/full capacity magazines
There is no more ban so we all get to use them
The Florida CCW only allows you to carry on your person

AR is the civilian ,non fully automatic version, of the M16
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....I always thought that there was no way a regular guy could get an automatic weapon (I got the 'best' carry permit for my area, but it wouldn't let me get an automatic weapon of any sort, just allowed me to carry a firearm on me, and to be able to use large capacity (pre-ban) clips).
Actually, It's a magazine NOT a "clip".

State laws vary. A civilian can most definitely legally own an automatic Firearm in some states, but must be approved the ATF, as well as other approval and processing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
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Can I ask you something - ar is probably an ar15 site (just assuming). Aren't AR15's automatic weapons, and if that's the case, why are there even boards (unless you're law enforcement/military I guess). I always thought that there was no way a regular guy could get an automatic weapon (I got the 'best' carry permit for my area, but it wouldn't let me get an automatic weapon of any sort, just allowed me to carry a firearm on me, and to be able to use large capacity (pre-ban) clips).
AR15's are semi-automatic and legal in most states. Your state laws may have some restrictions. Some of the more anti gun states are, CA, IL, NY and others. AR15.com is a wealth of knowlege on these firearms and laws, stop by there if you want to know more about your state.

The fully automatic version of the AR15 is the M16 and as stated above is legal to own by civies in many states. They are also rare due to the 1986 ban of manufacture of new machine guns available fore civi purchase. This puts the price of a NFA legal M16 in the 15K ball park. Again this varies state to state. They are not legal to own in my home state of Minnesota.
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Comp1911 have you tried Club1911.com we are alsways looking for new members

Joey
You live in Florida, there is no special permit needed for large/full capacity magazines
There is no more ban so we all get to use them
The Florida CCW only allows you to carry on your person

AR is the civilian ,non fully automatic version, of the M16
No I haven't, I'll have to swing by there.
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Comp1911 have you tried Club1911.com we are alsways looking for new members

Joey
You live in Florida, there is no special permit needed for large/full capacity magazines
There is no more ban so we all get to use them
The Florida CCW only allows you to carry on your person

AR is the civilian ,non fully automatic version, of the M16
Sorry I was referring to my MA FID permit, yeah in FL I don't have a carry / CCW permit yet.
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It's like a different world down here, a much better one

Stop by FloridaShootersNetwork we have some members in your area

No restrictions on ARs here other than federal I;m in the very basic first steps of building one myself
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Actually, It's a magazine NOT a "clip".

State laws vary. A civilian can most definitely legally own an automatic Firearm in some states, but must be approved the ATF, as well as other approval and processing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
Good link, so I'd have to acquire a fully automatic weapon and (simultaneously) register it with the ATF, right? And buying one means buying preban, which means insane money, which leaves kit builds... although the law/ban seems a little fuzzy on how those are handled. I know on gunbroker I see cheap kits all the time to change all kinds of weapons to full auto, are those covered? (like i'd have the free time or knowledge to build soemthing like this anyways lol)
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Good link, so I'd have to acquire a fully automatic weapon and (simultaneously) register it with the ATF, right? And buying one means buying preban, which means insane money, which leaves kit builds... although the law/ban seems a little fuzzy on how those are handled. I know on gunbroker I see cheap kits all the time to change all kinds of weapons to full auto, are those covered? (like i'd have the free time or knowledge to build soemthing like this anyways lol)
You cannot legally manufacture a new machine gun but if your state allows it under the NFA you can purchase one built prior to the 1986 ban. These firearms are very expensive, an M16 will run around $15,000.

The 1994 federal assult weapon ban expired in 2004. The rifles build during this time were called "post ban" and did not have flash suppressors, bayonet lugs or collapsable stocks. The manufacture of magazines with capacity over ten rounds was also stopped. Production of high cap magazines and rifles with all "evil" features started up again after the expiration of the ban in 2004. Depending on the state, you may have a state level ban that continues the old fed ban.

I don't buy complete rifles, I build mine with parts from high quality suppliers.
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I'm sorry but your post confuses me a little. Prebans are okay, but insanely expensive. Post ban (full automatic) are okay (maybe) depending on state? Where do kits fall here? (I'm FL btw. I guess if I knew it were legal, after my house's renovations are done, I would love to play around with building a kit gun, like an ak or something, full auto, but have no interest in doing 'gray area' builds or anything like that.)
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There are no post ban full automatics That ban refers to the 1986 ban on import or manufacture of full auto weapons
What there was in circulation is all there ever will legally be
No gray area at all
If you own one full auto component of a gun that you own you go to jail
You must petition the powers that be for a permit and pay for the privilege before you can buy a full auto


The other ban
The AWB ban on scary looking semi automatic rifles has expired and we here in Florida enjoy the ability to buy and own semi auto versions of the M16 (the AR15) without restriction after the background check which is required for all firearm purchases

In this case pre and post ban refers to that now rescinded AWB

Now postban is also called neutered

The kits are semi only
You must by the receiver through a licensed dealer everything else can be bought without a FFL intervention
The barrel must be over 16 inches long and it can not be made into a pistol if it left the factory as a rifle

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okay, so the kits on gunbroker that are less than a hundred bucks that will convert uzi's, mac10's, ak's, etc to full automatic are illegal to install?

That's what my original assumption was, guess I was just hoping lol. Well, maybe once I have an extra ten grand I'll find a beat up old school full auto, deal with the red tape to get it legally, and be set. Or I could just rent the $55/hr uzi at my local range and get the 'automatic desires' out of me!!
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Those full auto kits are deactivated military weapons sold with no receiver

They can be assembled if you buy a new receiver, but using any of the ful auto components is illegal

You can also buy replacement parts for your legally owned full auto
But if you own an AR15 you cannot own one component that would make it full auto
Even if that one component would not by itself make the gun full auto and even if it is not installed on the gun

BATF not too long ago ruled that a shoe string tied in a certain fashion was considered a machine gun, even if it was not attached to the gun at the time

They've since rescinded that

I'm not aware of any full auto conversion kits for sale on Gubroker

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