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Old 01-22-2012, 02:06 PM   #16
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Being from NW WI, we don't mess around with hunting... Very high priority around here. So yes your analogy there is totally perfect.

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Old 01-22-2012, 08:35 PM   #17
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There's weird, there's dumb, there's delusional, and there's mentally ill. Sometimes the lines are very blurry. It's a fascinating field.
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There's weird, there's dumb, there's delusional, and there's mentally ill. Sometimes the lines are very blurry. It's a fascinating field.
Myself, I call delusional a form of mental illness. Gullible is another story, though I don't know where the line between gullible and delusional is. Yes, where does mental illness start and "normal, but weird" end? We all have thoughts, and can imagine people talking w/ us, but apparently with schizophrenia the voices are far louder and more real, like when we dream. Hmmm. That is an interesting thought itself. I guess when a person loses control over the behavior, or does not recognize it as a detriment, that it becomes illness. Not long ago I read an article entitled "The Insanity Gene", as I recall, and it talked about how, long ago and far away, viruses infected our DNA, leaving some segments perverted. Thus, 25% of us have a predisposition for schizophrenia. This was not a sci-fi site, but one of the more prominent medical journals. I think that is the same article where they talked about viruses in a lot of bugs at various levels. Needless to say, it was spooky.
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Myself, I call delusional a form of mental illness. Gullible is another story, though I don't know where the line between gullible and delusional is. Yes, where does mental illness start and "normal, but weird" end? We all have thoughts, and can imagine people talking w/ us, but apparently with schizophrenia the voices are far louder and more real, like when we dream. Hmmm. That is an interesting thought itself. I guess when a person loses control over the behavior, or does not recognize it as a detriment, that it becomes illness. Not long ago I read an article entitled "The Insanity Gene", as I recall, and it talked about how, long ago and far away, viruses infected our DNA, leaving some segments perverted. Thus, 25% of us have a predisposition for schizophrenia. This was not a sci-fi site, but one of the more prominent medical journals. I think that is the same article where they talked about viruses in a lot of bugs at various levels. Needless to say, it was spooky.
There are definitely genetic predispositions. Everything from depression, to schizophrenia, to cancer, to alcoholism, to homosexuality, to diabetes are known to have some level of genetic predisposition. My experience, however, has led me to the firm conclusion that the main cause of future psychotherapy is sucky parenting. We suffer from, or enjoy the benefits of, our childhoods for our entire lives.
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There are definitely genetic predispositions. Everything from depression, to schizophrenia, to cancer, to alcoholism, to homosexuality, to diabetes are known to have some level of genetic predisposition. My experience, however, has led me to the firm conclusion that the main cause of future psychotherapy is sucky parenting. We suffer from, or enjoy the benefits of, our childhoods for our entire lives.
I agree.... with some reservations. In fact, almost the entire premise of the work I help facilitate in ex-offender behavioral modification is based upon a similar belief.

We see it from the perspective of much of the problem being "faulty learning", however. Often too much blame can be thrown toward parenting when we all tend to view any situation or instruction from our own personal points of reference.

The old "horse to water" thing. You can teach yourself blue in the face, (don't cha just love these clinical terms?), but the recipient has to receive it before any learning happens.
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I agree.... with some reservations. In fact, almost the entire premise of the work I help facilitate in ex-offender behavioral modification is based upon a similar belief.

We see it from the perspective of much of the problem being "faulty learning", however. Often too much blame can be thrown toward parenting when we all tend to view any situation or instruction from our own personal points of reference.

The old "horse to water" thing. You can teach yourself blue in the face, (don't cha just love these clinical terms?), but the recipient has to receive it before any learning happens.
Oh yeah. It's one thing to pull off enough scabs to get to the core of the problem. It's quite another to spend the rest of your life looking at the wound and blaming it, rather than taking personal responsibility for yourself. Dang though, that faulty learning is tough to overcome!
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I had a customer that had his and her helocopters, the house has over a 1/2 mile of water front with two guest houses that he has a full time house keeper keep clean even though they only get used one week a year.
He's so cheap that when he moved from the house next door he used to own he stole all the light bulbs and syphoned all the desel fuel out of the under ground tank.
He asked me to repair a 6 X 6 beam in his pole barn that had been run into with the tractor.
He had a whole stack of brand new pressure treated ones in storage in the barn.
Simple enough lift, slide one out and install a new one.
Nope, he wanted me to cut off the damaged bottom part and cut a patch and scarf cut it them bolt it together.
His reason was it would be saving more of the new wood and would save money.
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Joe: That is truly bizarre. What can one say to a guy like that? Did you tell him that a hearse doesn't tow a trailer?
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Had a customer who lived in Calif. and owned a bank in Missouri. He had a big expensive house here. 3 or 4 times a year he would come back and spend a week here. Always had a new girlfriend. He would call just before he went back west to tell me his new girlfriend did not like the carpet and he had bought new. I would go install it, his maid would have the house painted and change the drapes. Happened every time he came back. The maid got all the "old" carpet and drapes. She also got paid $300 a week to feed the 2 birds he had here and to keep the vacant house clean.
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The first day I met him he wanted me to use bondo to fix the main enterance doors threshold, keep in mind this home is listed on the National Register or Homes.
The threshold was 3" thick heart pine.
I told him if he wanted that kind of work done go hire a hack or get the man that mows his lawns to do it and walked back to my truck.
He hired me anyway.
I replaced it with a new heart pine one and he loved it.
I should him where he had termites in several areas that needed to be treated.
He insisted the owner show up to supervize all the work, he also notified the local news media to take pictures.
When everyone showed up and were trying to come up with a plan he starts in telling them there can be no drilling, just sprays used.
So the guys spent the whole day doing nothing that would ever treat the termites.
He never payed the bill claming it was because they got free advertising and should do it for free.
Plus he still had termites.
I was working on the garage next to the house and saw someone walking by with a chain saw and a tape measure and he said I hope you got your money up front.
This house has a dock at least 1000 ft. long that come to find out this guy had rebuilt after a hurricane and never got paid for. He was measuring the dock out 10 ft. past the shore line and was going to start cutting the whole thing to pieces for not getting paid. lol
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He was measuring the dock out 10 ft. past the shore line and was going to start cutting the whole thing to pieces for not getting paid. lol
Love it! This guy sounds like the millionaire I used to work w/. He asked me to go w/ him to an auction to check out an old p/u truck he wanted, just to haul garbage to the dump. I helped him get the truck running, etc, and all was good. No pay expected or offered. He then suggested I take his old pick up, which I refused; I needed another project like a hole in my head. He kept insisting, so I finally took the damn thing. I quickly put a tune in it and sold it for $200. When he heard that I'd sold "his truck", he was flabbergasted and wanted half the money. I offered him the $200, but I guess he felt guilty and would only take $100. My dad always told me how money affects some people. If you borrow a shovel, they'll tell you to just keep it, but if you borrow a nickel, you better pay it back, w/ interest. Some people's kids....
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Every week this guy would screw me out of money or show up and say he forgot my check.
One week it was $300.00 because I had charged him for two outlet covers and he insisted only one was cracked. Two 78 cent items and he shorts me $300.00. He said he would bring the money the next week if I gave him credit for the .78 cents.
I had a crew of 3 guys working there 5 days a week, he would Fed Ex a check and short me a whole days pay for all three guys because the check always came on a Thursday.
He had his full time grounds keeper keeping track of my time so he could compare the two sets of hours. Little did he know every week we sat down at the same table and figured out what the hours would be. We had to start charging for hours we did not even work to make up for all the money he shorted me.
He even screwed over his full time people. They used to come to my house to borrow money because they did not get there check.
He once told me "you have no idea who I am do you" I said I think I do and had you figure it out the first time I met you, your a rich tight wad a** hole that thinks there better than anyone else and just paid someone $10,000 to do things you have no clue how to do. I thought the property manager was going to pee his pants when he heard me say it right to his face.
I quit right after that.

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Spending 40K on an SUV.
Spending $800 on a designer purse
Refusing to spend $800 on 4 good tires 3 years after purchasing said SUV which is now "not as good in the winter as when I bought it".
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Yeah, a lot of weird behaviors and obsessions out there. I think we all have a little bit of weirdness in ourselves. My wife hoards different scented body lotions from a certain store in the mall. She doesn't really use them, except one at a time and uses them very rationally. She just admires them I mean, I think she has over 20 bottles. I just don't get stuff like that!!
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A couple stories from my dad and his neighbor, who are both now-retired union guys. My dad was a laborer, his neighbor a mechanic.

One day on the job (road crew, Chicago area) the owner of the company (now defunct) showed up. He never left the office and really didn't know a thing about construction other than making sure payments came in and costs were low. Two guys were sitting on the curb eating their lunch. The owner asked "what the F are you two doing?" Their response, "eating lunch." Owner says "we don't eat lunch at xxx company, you two are fired." To which they replied, "who are you?" The owner got all upset and said, "I'm [name], the owner of this goddamn company!" The two workers got up and started laughing. "We don't work for you."

There are many, many companies doing work during a road project - the guy just assumed that every person out there was working for his company, regardless of the names on the trucks and equipment.

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Similar to above, a story about not getting paid. My dad & his neighbor were at a bar after work one day. A guy walked in and announced that he needed 5 union laborers right now. He was a concrete guy who recently finished a driveway job and the owner kept dodging payment. So, he and his 5 hired (for drinks) laborers went around the corner with sledge hammers and took the driveway back.

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