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Old 09-10-2014, 07:25 AM   #1
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‘Unlawfully Advertised’ 2x4s Cost Lowe’s $1.6M
Calif. judge orders settlement over building product dimensions


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What ???
2x4s not actually 2 inches x 4 inches???
What next? McDonalds to be sued because the 1/4 pounder does not weigh 1/4 pound ??

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I think it's a good thing to get a precedent set. It's one thing to call it a 2x4 but when it's advertised as 2" x 4” x 8' I think it's reasonable for the consumer to expect that's what they’re getting. The 8' is correct, why shouldn't someone assume the other numbers would be too.

It's not just dimensional lumber but there are many other products that you get short changed on too. Last year I ordered a bunch DriCore panels an OSB product which I never had used before. The product description listed it as 2' x 2' but the actual was 23 1/2”. Really... I'm being shorted on sheet goods now too.

Have you looked at a gallon of paint lately? It's advertised as a gallon but when you look at the can it's actually closer to 7/8.
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I think you meant precedent.
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I am not a fan of Home Depot or Lowe's, but if they are going to make these two companies cough up that money, then it looks like everyone who has sold lumber and such all the way back to the 50's should have to be made to pay as well. Back in the 50's every carpenter and consumer knew a 2X4 back then was 1 5/8 X 3 5/8, now days it is smaller.

Where it gets confusing is the plywood, there is no reason for plywood to be smaller than what is listed, they have just jumped on the ban wagon of dimensional lumber sizes. Plywood and sheet goods have changed so much so fast even a carpenter can't keep up with all the thicknesses, especially when a lot of it is metric and produced over seas.

Where it really gets confusing is this: go to a cabinet supply and order 100 bf of cabinet lumber, you will pay for 100 bf of lumber but when you get to the shop you realize you have 18% less lumber than you paid for. They don't tell you now days that there is an 18% up charge for shrinkage and milling, not to mention you are going to loose more when you have to straight rip and throw away all the off fall.

The only way to get a full usable 100 bf of lumber is to tell them right off the bat you want net 100 bf, then if it is a new guy he just stands there scratching his head.

Another question is this, who gets all that money they sued for. Where is that coffee this morning. LOL And another thing, when you go across the GA TN line to buy materials and you live in TN, you pay Tennessee taxes in Ga, who gets that money. Tennessee is .0925% Ga is .07%. Now where do I put this used soap box? LOL
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I think you meant precedent.
OK, I have my other eye opened now.
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I think it's a good thing to get a precedent set. It's one thing to call it a 2x4 but when it's advertised as 2" x 4” x 8' I think it's reasonable for the consumer to expect that's what they’re getting. The 8' is correct, why shouldn't someone assume the other numbers would be too.

It's not just dimensional lumber but there are many other products that you get short changed on too. Last year I ordered a bunch DriCore panels an OSB product which I never had used before. The product description listed it as 2' x 2' but the actual was 23 1/2”. Really... I'm being shorted on sheet goods now too.

Have you looked at a gallon of paint lately? It's advertised as a gallon but when you look at the can it's actually closer to 7/8.
Not all 8' 2 x 4s are 8'.
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When the county next to mine was 6%, I would go over there and buy my bigger ticket items.
Bought a car over there, then received a letter from the tax people I needed to the extra 1% for my county.

A friend of mine bought a used camper from out of state, and they hit him up for $1800 when he went to register it.
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Back in the early 60s, you had to cut every stud to the length you wanted, they didn't all come standard length, most of them would be a inch or 2 longer, some were even shorter than standard. That was not fun cutting every stud for an entire house the same length. Now days the ends are even sealed, whole different world from back then to today.
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Back in the early 60s, you had to cut every stud to the length you wanted, they didn't all come standard length, most of them would be a inch or 2 longer, some were even shorter than standard. That was not fun cutting every stud for an entire house the same length. Now days the ends are even sealed, whole different world from back then to today.
Probably cut them with a hand saw, none-the-less.........
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Not all 8' 2 x 4s are 8'.
Maybe over a 1/4" but not under. The only time I've seen the length under it was obvious that it had been cut by someone other than the mill.
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Maybe over a 1/4" but not under. The only time I've seen the length under it was obvious that it had been cut by someone other than the mill.
Haven't built anything for a few years, but stud grade was shorter than 8' 20 years ago, Studs were 92 & 5/8", that way with the top and bottom cap, the wall was 8'.
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Probably cut them with a hand saw, none-the-less.........
Yep, uphill in the snow, both ways. LOL No actually we had a mule on a treadmill that ran the saw.
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Yep, uphill in the snow, both ways. LOL No actually we had a mule on a treadmill that ran the saw.
I thought the Earth was still thought of as flat that far back....

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Marin County does not have a Lowes store.

"The civil enforcement action was filed in Marin County Superior Court and led by the district attorneys of Marin, Los Angeles, Monterey, San Joaquin and Stanislaus counties."

Of the 5 counties "involved", they file the suit in the only county without a store ?

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