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Old 12-01-2010, 10:38 AM   #16
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Too many people don't understand that "Replacement Windows" lose glass size!


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Curious. It's ok with me, but why was this thread moved to "off topic"? The whole issue is that people are being surprised by this. It seems like something they would have benefited from. A search on replacement windows in the construction or remodeling sub-forum would yield this info specifically.
Anybody that does even the slightest amount of research would be aware of the size difference
Even a quick comparison at HD/Lowes etc of display would yield this information
I went with new windows as a result of looking at the displays
My new window trim can be removed & the window replaced with a new window if ever needed

And installing replacement windows does not always mean losing window glass
I had sash weight pockets
So taking the sash weights out would mean I could install a larger window then before

A search will still turn up this thread not matter where it is located

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Old 12-01-2010, 12:07 PM   #17
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Who exactly do you mean by "the bigger players? The manufacturer? I don't really see how they can change anything. The problem is with the individual contractors who do not mention it, but I wouldn't consider them "bigger players".
No of course not the manufacturers (unless they sell AND install). There are larger contractors out there that do quite a bit of work. Not the small guy.

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I'd love 5 minutes alone with the "contractor" who redid the bathroom in our house while the previous owner lived there to talk to him about his "methods" but that doesn't mean I'm blaming the manufacturer of the electrical supplies he installed incorrectly.

I'd love to replace my 80 yr old windows w/ new construction ones, but I am sure as hell not pulling my 3 yr old siding off so I'm going replacement.
Then you know the difference. Imagine getting an entire house outfit with smaller windows without having been warned about it ahead of time. Imagine that being very important to you.
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Old 12-01-2010, 12:13 PM   #18
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Imagine getting an entire house outfit with smaller windows without having been warned about it ahead of time. Imagine that being very important to you.
Where, exactly, is the line that separates what a contractor should inform the customer and when the customer should do their own due diligence?

We need you to point out an exact line, and that line needs to be agreed upon by everyone. Only then could you have a valid point. Until that line is determined, it is just a matter of opinion. Some people know these things, others don't. Some people think everyone should know about things like this, others don't.
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Anybody that does even the slightest amount of research would be aware of the size difference.
No, I don't believe this to be true. You're making a very large assumption about how people learn. Usually it starts with knowing the questions to ask. In fact, I had spoken to 2 contractors (6 in total eventually) before finding out about the glass loss: indeed at Lowes.

People often trust people who know a particular industry to guide them. As a prior contractor mentioned in this thread, he tells his customers of both options. THAT would be responsible.
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We need you to point out an exact line, and that line needs to be agreed upon by everyone. Only then could you have a valid point. Until that line is determined, it is just a matter of opinion.
No, a point can be valid regardless of the number of people signing on to it. Further, if every person here agreed on that point, it would still be a matter of opinion. Your premise here is flat out broken.

I'm not continuing this thread. It is clear that my post on being saddened that people are buying windows smaller than they expect (and being very disappointed by it) has somehow sparked off a series of defensive posts.

We're going in circles.
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No, I don't believe this to be true. You're making a very large assumption about how people learn. Usually it starts with knowing the questions to ask. In fact, I had spoken to 2 contractors (6 in total eventually) before finding out about the glass loss: indeed at Lowes.

People often trust people who know a particular industry to guide them. As a prior contractor mentioned in this thread, he tells his customers of both options. THAT would be responsible.
Can contractors charge extra for this guidance you say they should provide?
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No, a point can be valid regardless of the number of people signing on to it.
When the point is based on opinion, and only 1 man has that opinion, I find it hard to believe that it is very valid.

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Further, if every person here agreed on that point, it would still be a matter of opinion.
Exactly, it would still be opinion, but a popular opinion that most likely makes sense.
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Your premise here is flat out broken.
No, I feel it's very accurate.
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I'm not continuing this thread. It is clear that my post on being saddened that people are buying windows smaller than they expect (and being very disappointed by it) has somehow sparked off a series of defensive posts.
It's not the content as much as the way you went about posting it.
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As a person whose building experience is strictly limited to "projects here and there", I wasn't aware that replacement windows are often smaller.

Which is why "are there any downsides?" is usually one of the first questions I ask a contractor before proceeding on any project. (My expertise is in IT and telcom and I never presume to know anything else.)
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Comparing apples to apples a new construction window will always be better. I also am a contractor and do windows. I understand exactly what the original poster is talking about and it should be more known to the public. The smaller window may not be the only issue. I've seen plenty of these "big player" contractors hire out to subs who stick a window in an opening just to caulk it inside and out, and call it a window install.
There will be plenty of work for us who do things correctly in the future. It's no different than the crap these companies all did in the 70's.
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What's the big deal here anyhow? Replacement windows are designed for a specific purpose. If contractors don't tell their customers that they are going to loose a few inches if they use replacement windows, then that is between the two of them. Is there a grand conspiracy here? Should we be running for our pitchforks? Who cares?
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No one cares? The obvious advantages of having replacement windows over the old double hung outweighs the loss of 2"? Only an "engineer" would bother?
Only a software engineer would bother.
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We replaced quite a few old windows in our house when we bought it. I wasn't told and I never noticed. And I don't care. The better windows helped to better insulate the house and keep it more energy efficient. When I had $600+ a month electric bills in the house every bit of energy efficiency counted. So if I lost a couple inches of glass, so be it. Didn't matter to me at all. I'm not sure why it would matter to anyone. Unless it's a super mega small window with very little glass to begin with. Maybe that's why I'm not understanding the problem. Our windows are all larger sized.
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the thing i tell my customers when they inquire about ''inserts'' is that they are not replacement windows,they are replacement sashes

another thing many people don't realize is that their window ac units may no longer fit,not that i recommend one being put in a vinyl insert

there are not many times where i would recomend an insert


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