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Old 02-21-2010, 05:54 PM   #16
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if the head honchos at the big box stores knew they were going to have to fall on their sword for selling us crap, product would probably be better

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if the head honchos at the big box stores knew they were going to have to fall on their sword for selling us crap, product would probably be better
Only maybe. But just stop shopping in the places. It is the fastest way to send word that what they offer is not acceptable. Pay $1 more or even $20 for a tool that feels nice in your hand at your local tool supplier. Buy bolts and nuts from a local fastener company. Buy paint at your paint store.

Laborers in Mexico and China will make exactly what we ask and at whatever quality point. They are just people trying to make a living too. We Americans, as a culture, are the ones that have embraced the stupid and community killing box store concept.

As posted before? Menard's has the best price on canned coffee now. Screw you WalMart attitude? Got you suckers once in the door strategy? Bagels and donuts are next at Lowes I suspect. HD will have croissants with ham and eggs for breakfast?

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Menard's has the best price on canned coffee now. Screw you WalMart attitude? Got you suckers once in the door strategy? Bagels and donuts are next at Lowes I suspect. HD will have croissants with ham and eggs for breakfast?
Just picked up a few bags of whole bean Foldger's flavored coffee for $2.87 a bag. Can't beat that price!
I normally do not make a habit of buying my groceries at Menards, but could not resist.

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if the head honchos at the big box stores knew they were going to have to fall on their sword for selling us crap, product would probably be better
It's not like the home stores are only selling poor-quality products. If you go into Home Depot looking for a [let's say] Hammer, you can buy a $4.98 Workforce hammer, that will probably not hold up over a long time. You could also buy a $30 Estwing hammer right next to it. The Estwing is certainly not crap. Most people shop by pricetag, and little else. If HD didn't sell their $4 hammers, they'd have to put a higher price on their higher-quality hammers to make up the profit deficiencies of not selling a high quantity of cheap hammers.

This is like everything: People will buy the cheapest version of something at Home Depot/Menards/Lowes, when there is usually a comparably better product right there on the shelf next to it. Then, they will complain when the lowest-cost item they could buy didn't work as well as they wished, and claim that the boxes only sell crap.
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It's not like the home stores are only selling poor-quality products. If you go into Home Depot looking for a [let's say] Hammer, you can buy a $4.98 Workforce hammer, that will probably not hold up over a long time. You could also buy a $30 Estwing hammer right next to it. The Estwing is certainly not crap. Most people shop by pricetag, and little else. If HD didn't sell their $4 hammers, they'd have to put a higher price on their higher-quality hammers to make up the profit deficiencies of not selling a high quantity of cheap hammers.

This is like everything: People will buy the cheapest version of something at Home Depot/Menards/Lowes, when there is usually a comparably better product right there on the shelf next to it. Then, they will complain when the lowest-cost item they could buy didn't work as well as they wished, and claim that the boxes only sell crap.
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Bottom line is that we as a country don't want to work 'those' jobs that are now being taken by imigrants trying to capture the American dream. I remember growing up you got the McDonalds job or better yet in the summer you went to the beach and worked, got your drunk on and lived, learning a little along the way. Now-a-days I go to the beach and there are imigrants from Russia and Eastern block countries that are doing the work while the American youth is relying on mom and dad to foot the bill...Its only natural that we have to get products and services from elsewhere when no one wants to work! And its only natural that people deal with the lesser quality because deep down they realize what we as a nation have done to ourselves but are too ashamed to admit it or try and fix it!
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Here's an interesting article comparing China now to 30 years ago. Note the average Chinese savings account. We have transferred a LOT of money to them in exchange for trinkets.

http://www.chinaexpat.com/blog/ernie...and-today.html
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since 30 years ago, they generally have the biggest and best of most things in the world in the major cities (more than 20 cities over 2,000,000). - Biggest shopping centers, auto manufacturing, auto markets. they have 3 story McDonalds in suburbs and many places to get great American ribs. You can get great pizza and other food including real American food. Unfortunately, you can not get real Chinese food in the U.S. We can get a lot of real Indian food in the U.S., but after a number of tries in the U.S. and India, I cannot handle the combinations of texture and spices.

The one of the restaurants I remembered was Tony Romas (taken there by an ex-patriot), but there were a few much better, but I can't recall the exact names. On that night, I lost or had my billfold lost or stolen. I reported it to the hotel when I got back including the contents. The next morning, my billfold was returned with all credit cards since American cards are worthless unless you are obviously american or British. It also contained the $87 in cash that I reported. I got that including 4- $20s, a $5 and two $1s. I failed to mention that the $2 was really an old Canadian $2 bill, so I got got two $1 U.S. bills. They treat Americans well. I would hate to be the Chinese person that had the billfold, unless it was stripped of cash and dropped.

They have 3 story McDonalds in suburbs and many places to get great American ribs. You can get great pizza and other food including real American food. Unfortunately, you can not get real Chinese food in the U.S.

Take a Google trip of the Shanghai area (including the "Bund" and the land recently developed across the waterway) and look at the diversity and number of huge 80+ story buildings. Beijing is also impressive, but it is more traditional, but with better pizza. They also have the worlds largest Holiday Inn on a sprawling site with towers and individual units on the grounds that has about 12 different restaurants, each from a different country. Other interesting areas are Kun Ming or the "Spring City" (base of the Flying Tigers in WWII) that is a small city of 2,000,000 with great weather and another is Chun King (American spelling) that is a general area of about 30,000,000 people on the Tangtze River and also Harbin that is just north of North korea and is the control to limit the immigration of low priced labor from North Korea.

If you want to travel and understand an area, this is a real great and cheap place to go, especially if you have the guts to avoid the packaged tours. The American is respected everywhere since the assistance when the Japanese tried to conquer China - just make sure you have a very advanced cell phone/ computer. Unfortunately, I was there a number of times, but I had to be working most of the time unless the customer wanted us to fly to Mongolia for a day or so. The free time allowed me to wander. Many good airline schedules and China Air (and regional lines) have very modern Boeing jets and is professionally run, compared to some other countries. - I wish I had been a travel agent with time to poke around.

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