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Old 05-25-2012, 08:12 PM   #61
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AS long as you got me going, speaking of per captia, The US is already spending MORE per capita on healthcare then Canada. So where's all the money. Yes we know, the pharma and insurance exec's are the one's driving those beamer's past the poor curbside victim.

As for putting your nose to the grindstone and not fussing when you have to fork out a staggering 18 k to have a child, what would be the difference if you say, put your nose to the grindstone and refused those gov't run socialist firetruck thats coming round the bend to save your ass.
I dont know how we got derailed from a election to healthcare but so be it. (just mention one hot issue and it goes viral on a forum)

I am not immune to the plight of the medically uninsured. I have always been fortunate enough to work hard and keep a job with medical benefits. Times have changed, hard work as we know, no longer guarantees employment. I am coming to my years to where I can no longer work hard and will be one of those they want to euthanize and get out of the way..

If ones thinks about it, the high cost of health care is because of insurance, they pay whaever the market wants for its goods/services, it goes up and up and up. ..

My mother gave birth to 8 of my siblings in her bedroom in a 3 room shack we called home that had no indoor plumbing. My Dad paid the doctor that made those house calls with a pig or chickens, true story... Wont work today though because doctors dont do house calls and are health nuts and wont eat pork.

This healthcare fisaco is really almost identical in nature as our nations fuel crisis that was recognized here in 1973. Guess what ? Nothing has been done about either in almost 40 years. If our federal and state authorities had sat down and worked together for the passed 40 years about our energy and healthcare problems , we would not have these two "crisis" right now...

I have never been opposed to a "healthcare tax" ( God, knows we have plenty of other taxes) coming out of my paycheck to go to a healthcare fund to supplement those that need insurance. But you know what, didnt we do the same thing with the SS fund and look how its been robbed and abused now .

Health care affects all of us. My wifes son works construction and hasnt had health insurance since he got laid off. He has bad gall bladder stones and when he has gall bladder attacks, the hospital admits him as required by law, but he is treated like a second class citizen...


So, please do not treat us that have insurance like we do not know or emphasize with, the pains of those that dont have insurance. I am sure there are many readers on here that have family or loved ones that get indigent health care or none at all for lack of insurance, it is sad....

It is a serious problem in our nation and I for one do not see a simple, painless solution to our skyrocketing health care costs and how to get fair insurance programs for all. People HAVE to at some point, take responsibilty for themselves if capable, in becoming a productive, citizen and maitaining good health. We have a obesity epidemic in the USA now, guess what that is going to do to HC costs ? . ..

The guvmint taking HC over, is not the right solution though, as they will dictate who gets treatment and who doesn't and waste TONS of money in bureacratic gobblygook. . .............jmo


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I'm back. I was being sarcastic. It's what little Billy said. Maybe not in those exact words, but I took his speech to mean every citizen was going to have 24 hour protection against criminal activity. No 'round-the-clock' security force ever showed up at my door. Clear enough?

Obama is an idiot too.

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Don't think that when you retire Medicare will take care of your health needs. For most people Part. A will pay your hospitlization with a bunch of restrictions.
Part B....right now it would cost me $140 a month, plus I would pay the first $220 and 20 % after that.
Then I would need a supplement to pay for medications. (cost varies)

If you are living on Soc Sec, it is tough to pay these expenses. It costs me less to pay medical expenses out of my pocket than to sign up for Medicare.
The average person gets less than $1000 a month soc sec.
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I am still unclear, so I will ask again. Just which rights are being taken away from you
One has to look at this 2000 page OC plan that no one has read in its entirety, for what it is. I have listened to /read about some highly educated people that attempted to read it and said it was full of embedded rules and regulations that will take the individuals right to choose their doctor, their place of treatment, even their ability to even get treated as their illness will be placed in a "priority" category, a benchmark set by the guvmint....

My employer sponsered health care insurance that I have now that I pay 50% of, allows me the rights to enjoy these things that will be lost with the OC plan....

What people have stopped talking about now, are the important issues like the OC plan. We are being distracted intentionally by the media with silly issues like we see now in the newspaper/home page headlines. Once the OC plan is instituted 2013, there will be no turning back. ...

If ones uses some simple logic, you can see the intent of the OC plan will be to get ALL citizens on the guvmint plan. How many employers do you think will carry private insurance for their employees, when the employees have the option of going to the cheaper OC plan ? Private plans would disapppear...

Ever wonder why there wasnt a great outcry from the healthcare insurance providers when the OC plan was promoted, then passed behind closed doors ? Would not one surmise that these providers are going to be taken care of with the OC plan ? I would think so...

Since you are in Canada and I am in the USA, it is probaly not a fair debate on the HC topic comparing health care systems, as I have had 60 years of of medical treatment that I have had few complaints with. ...

I have listened to people that lived in England and Canada that spoke of their socialized medicine program and it sounded bad to me. I guess we need to walk in someone elses shoes to be able to judge them rightfully, in my opinion.
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I'm back. I was being saracastic. It's what little Billy said. Maybe not in those exact words, but I took his speech to mean every citizen was going to have 24 hour protection against criminal activity. NO security force ever showed up at my door. Clear enough?

Obama is an idiot too.
He is not a idiot, but very intelligent. He has a plan, one so skillfully put together with gradualism, we will all awake one day and say , " How did this happen ? ...

Thank you for the clarification. My acceptance on this forum is withstanding so I am not familiar with those that are in the clan and their dialogue. ..

I guess you heard /read where BHO said that the US needs a civil personnel defence system in place at least equal in strength to our military. Now, if that statement from the POTUS didnt raise ones neck hairs, I dont know what would.
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He is not a idiot, but very intelligent. He has a plan, one so skillfully put together with gradualism, we will all awake one day and say , " How did this happen ? ...

Very, very well said.....
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Don't think that when you retire Medicare will take care of your health needs. For most people Part. A will pay your hospitlization with a bunch of restrictions.
Part B....right now it would cost me $140 a month, plus I would pay the first $220 and 20 % after that.
Then I would need a supplement to pay for medications. (cost varies)

If you are living on Soc Sec, it is tough to pay these expenses. It costs me less to pay medical expenses out of my pocket than to sign up for Medicare.
The average person gets less than $1000 a month soc sec.
Still though, for the most part do you not agree that medicare works.
$140 per mnth is alot less than what some have to pay for insurance
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Our system is not without its flaws, and I'm not saying OC is right for you, but I'm not convinced that what these so called highly educated people are reporting is actual truth

I know our system has saved lives, just as medicare does work and has saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

WhenTrudeau first implemented our health care system there was a huge uproar, but soon the haters came to realize it was for the greater good. Today, I don't believe you could find anyone that would rather go without.

I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about American politics, however I do wish to point out that contrary to what a lot of Americans believe:

(1) The gov't has no say in which Dr I visit and what his prescribed method of treatment is nor for the duration of such

(2) There are guidelines the gov't sets forth, but they are guidelines only and my dr is free to supercede them at his own discretion. For instance: it is set forth an expectant women may have two ultrasounds at certain stages of pregancy, however your OBGYN is free to order them every day if he feels the need.
(3) our Dr's left in mass exoudus to the States when health care was first implemented in the early 70's. What your media has failed to report is that a great deal of them have returned.
(4) Canadian Dr's do not make less then American Dr's on average and in some cases actually make more, but yes their salaries are negotiated and can be capped by the gov't. However, our Dr's have far less overhead then yours and thus their profit margin is higher.

I am certain that Obama was not the one to take your country to the brink of collapse. He inherited that mess, but at least he has the balls to try and fix it.
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Yes, like I said INCOME taxes are similar. You have a host of additional taxes that add up to about 10% more than when you add up all our taxes.


As for guns, I haven't seen anything that makes me scared of losing mine. Obama is a pro gun democrat. He even talked about his glock on the campaign trail. That doesn't stop the dealers in the gun shop from trying to sell me things that I "must buy now before its illegal ". It also doesn't stop the nra from making statements to get you to be scared and throw money at them. I am very pro gun and generally support the nra, but their propaganda tactics in recent years are disgusting.
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Yes wealthy Ontario does have the HST (not all provinces have it) which combines the goods and services tax and the sales tax, but it is designed to make the wealthy business owners pay the brunt of the burden. Average to low income families get it all back in quarterly rebates.
Families with kids get the universal child tax rebate monthly, the amount is determind on a scale.
Families with kids in day care also get the child benefit rebate.

So really its not as bad as it would initially appear

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I agree>>>you said it ...There are a lot of propaganda scare tactics designed to keep you all submissive
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Still though, for the most part do you not agree that medicare works.
$140 per mnth is alot less than what some have to pay for insurance
But when many are getting the $698 a month, it would be hard to pay out $140 and all the extras and still live.
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But when many are getting the $698 a month, it would be hard to pay out $140 and all the extras and still live.
Your statement further reinforces my point. What is an elderly patient to do? Hard to believe that after all those years a hard working law abiding citizen could be jammed up for medical care or face bankruptcy.

Its a disgrace to think that seniors are being treated that way by a country as great as the USA. Its a failure so massive its disgusting

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Our system is not without its flaws, and I'm not saying OC is right for you, but I'm not convinced that what these so called highly educated people are reporting is actual truth

I know our system has saved lives, just as medicare does work and has saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

WhenTrudeau first implemented our health care system there was a huge uproar, but soon the haters came to realize it was for the greater good. Today, I don't believe you could find anyone that would rather go without.

I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about American politics, however I do wish to point out that contrary to what a lot of Americans believe:

(1) The gov't has no say in which Dr I visit and what his prescribed method of treatment is nor for the duration of such

(2) There are guidelines the gov't sets forth, but they are guidelines only and my dr is free to supercede them at his own discretion. For instance: it is set forth an expectant women may have two ultrasounds at certain stages of pregancy, however your OBGYN is free to order them every day if he feels the need.
(3) our Dr's left in mass exoudus to the States when health care was first implemented in the early 70's. What your media has failed to report is that a great deal of them have returned.
(4) Canadian Dr's do not make less then American Dr's on average and in some cases actually make more, but yes their salaries are negotiated and can be capped by the gov't. However, our Dr's have far less overhead then yours and thus their profit margin is higher.

I am certain that Obama was not the one to take your country to the brink of collapse. He inherited that mess, but at least he has the balls to try and fix it.
I am not meaning to be adversarial or disrespctful here, buy I take the above text in red a bit personal, as I know better. It appears that you and even WAY too many in the US are seeing what the left hand is doing and not watching the actions of his right hand. .... (metaphorically speaking here)

As a natural born citizen of the USA I have exercised my freedom to get myself informed about anyone running for President of the USA. When BHO filed for his candidacy for President in 2007, I started my due diligence and read and listened to every available source of history on the man that is now the POTUS....

I wanted to KNOW a bit about the man as I wanted to know WHO I may be voting for. I wanted to know where he came from, who he socialized with, his school days, you know, those things that tell a LOT about who a person really is.. . Those searches for me were futile and the nfo at that time was as scarce as hens teeth and still is now 3.5 years later. Does this fact bother anyone else reading this post ?

I will not tire my fingers typing or boring the readers with what I have read and witnessed about BHO. The list of things that has been done by this POTUS that goes against the very grain of patriotism and love for our nation that is felt by us older citizens, is VERY long.....

Our younger populace doesnt know any difference about what is happening to our nation right now, because they are not being taught the true history of America and how it become great.....

They are just doing what the left media is reporting from the Hill, just blame the baby boomers as we have "robbed" the wealth of our nation and left them nothing, blame the one percenters, blame the Tea Partiers, and blame the on and on...

How about teaching our youth how we became a great nation and try to revitalize those attributes ?? We sure as h--ll didnt become great by spewing hate for the rich, racism, and class divisioning...

Ask any young person about their civics classes in school or how our governemnt is run and legislated, and they will look at you like that you have horns. This lack of understanding of what it takes to make and keep a nation great has been taken out of the learning experience for our youngsters. Why ? A uninformed society is one that is a whole lot easier to control after they self destruct their own nation from apathy...


I will just say if one will use their critical thinking skills, true logic and practical thinking along with some deductive reasoning skills, listen to what he says, and see what actions are being taking now to run this nation, they CAN NOT in good consious, agree with what is being stated in red text above. jmo

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