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Old 05-25-2012, 05:41 AM   #46
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AS long as you got me going, speaking of per captia, The US is already spending MORE per capita on healthcare then Canada. So where's all the money. Yes we know, the pharma and insurance exec's are the one's driving those beamer's past the poor curbside victim.

As for putting your nose to the grindstone and not fussing when you have to fork out a staggering 18 k to have a child, what would be the difference if you say, put your nose to the grindstone and refused those gov't run socialist firetruck thats coming round the bend to save your ass.

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we already have very strict gun control laws
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If you think you are happy paying for your 18k for your childs birth then that is your choice, but once again, I would bet that your tax rate is probably not hugely cheaper then mine.

Personally, I'd rather see that money go to my child's education
With my system I pay 18k once, with your system I pay an extra 5K every year for the rest of my life..............
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we already have very strict gun control laws
We do too Jan. Murder is against the law. The plan is to have all firearms turned in. Which makes sence, I guess. Self defense is antiquated. We have enough police and Obama, as did Clinton assured us that there would always be a policeman standing by our side in the case of a robbery, mugging, or murder attempt. Criminals wii not attack the weak or unprotected person. It's not been proven that criminals attack the elderly, disabled, or single woman on the street or in their house. Rape will also cease to happen under the plan.




"What about hard working folk.. say a single mom with two jobs and three buses to the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]day [COLOR=blue !important]care[/color][/color][/color] centre. She makes just enough not to qualify for mediaid or whatever you call it, but not enough to truly get by. She's choosing between shoes and mitts for her kids or overinflated premiums.
Come on you know I'm not wrong."
That's where I've always fit in, with us averaging 2-4 operations a year since cancer first popped up. I make more and I can't afford the premiums. or the payments. Currently, we have a payment plan which I suppose is affordable.
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With my system I pay 18k once, with your system I pay an extra 5K every year for the rest of my life..............

Once again, I will say our tax rates are very similar.

That 18k once is provided nobody else in your family EVER AGAIN gets sick or injured

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Once again, I will say our tax rates are very similar.

Last I heard, Ontario had an HST/sales tax somewhere around 13%, sales tax here is 5.6%. I'm confident that we pay far less in property & income taxes percentage wise as well, after conversing with friend from North of the border through the years.


That 18k once is provided nobody else in your family EVER AGAIN gets sick or insured
We still have decent health insurance, albeit we have a relatively high deductable. It's just the maternity coverage that is hard to attain, and actually benefit from purchasing. It's hard to consider that 18K as anything other than a "drop in the bucket" when in reality I have two beautiful young girls........

BTW, as for the fire service, I live in a small rural township, I'd still pay for the service call (my HO insurance policy would actually pick it up) and almost every dept. here is still volunteers.........
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Just keep in mind that politicians lie. It's in their nature. It's all about saying what you think most people want to hear. Just that. What they want to hear. Nothing about performance. It's the appearance of things that count. The fact that each and every one of them has his or her own agenda and getting into office is their way of acting on that agenda is hidden behind all the speeches and news releases.
They also consider themselves lawmakers, and their other agenda is to make more laws. We need about 20-30 laws to make the world run smoothly, period. Not the 2,000-3,000 new ones that force on us each and every year. This is also done to force agendas on the populace. No matter the country. It's the same all over.

No different than a TV commercial for a vehicle. Make it entertaining enough and somebody will buy it. No matter that a vehicle has one purpose, to get you form here to there. All the other pointless glitter is just that. Thank goodness I always have a book in my hand when any commercial pops up! Commercial free for many, many years here!
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and healthcare here will slowly go into auto-correct as it re-enters the "free-market" economy"..........
You can't "free-market" healthcare until you decide that hospitals have the right to turn people away that do not have sufficient income. Right now a homeless person with $0 to his name can show up at the ER with a gunshot wound and get treatment. If you want to go free market with no regulation, hospitals and health care facilities will have to have the business options to choose whom they treat.

As free-market competition opens up, you can run into 2 hospitals competing in the same area that can only support one. Like other industries, undercutting competitors and stealing customers is how you do business. For healthcare, I don't think anyone will benefit from cost-cutting and "sale prices" on healthcare. Except of course for the affluent, who can go to the Lexus hospital and get whatever they need. If you think class warfare seems bad now, make only the "non poor" able to get healthcare.

Free market healthcare is no more a good idea than free market police, fire, and military.
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Once again, I will say our tax rates are very similar.
This is iffy. Maybe INCOME taxes are similar (at the lower pay scales), but the overall taxes you pay in Canada account for much more. We don't have things like the 5% national goods and services tax.

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In Canada total tax and non-tax revenue for every level of government equals about 38.4% of GDP,[1] compared to the U.S. rate of 28.2%.[2]
However, as an aside, if we actually fully funded our spending (like Canada) instead of running continuous budget deficits, our taxation would need to be much higher.
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We do too Jan. Murder is against the law. The plan is to have all firearms turned in. Which makes sence, I guess. Self defense is antiquated. We have enough police and Obama, as did Clinton assured us that there would always be a policeman standing by our side in the case of a robbery, mugging, or murder attempt. Criminals wii not attack the weak or unprotected person. It's not been proven that criminals attack the elderly, disabled, or single woman on the street or in their house. Rape will also cease to happen under the plan.




"What about hard working folk.. say a single mom with two jobs and three buses to the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]day [COLOR=blue !important]care[/color][/color][/color] centre. She makes just enough not to qualify for mediaid or whatever you call it, but not enough to truly get by. She's choosing between shoes and mitts for her kids or overinflated premiums.
Come on you know I'm not wrong."
That's where I've always fit in, with us averaging 2-4 operations a year since cancer first popped up. I make more and I can't afford the premiums. or the payments. Currently, we have a payment plan which I suppose is affordable.
Latest, 3 weeks ago. Last before that was Nov.
Not to be brash as I know nothing about you . The text in red that I have highlighted amazes me. Either you are being sarcastic or you are totally out of contact with reality. Please clarify your post so that I may understand what you truly mean by it. thanks
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The OC bill is a catchall bill. Nobody I talked too understood all of it. I did understand the portion that dictated that contractors like me keep records of all businesses I did business with and file 1099's on Lowes, R&S, Bradco, and even Wal-Mart forchristsake.
I even understand the bill that Obama OK'd to be put before the UN. If passed, all Americans may have to register and turn in all firearms and ammuntion they have. KOrea, China, Iran and a few others are trying hard to disarm this country. I have to wonder what that's about. Canadians will probably have to turn all their rifles and shotguns too. ??
I'll vote for ABO at this point.
I assume by affordable HC, I can expect to pay $20. or so for HI instead of $300+ in premiums, which will be nice.

But, since HC will be affordable for individuals, I hope it means that businesses can drop all health care plans and let employees pay their own way. It could mean lower costs for services and products across the board. I might even hire somebody again.
My God, you have to wonder what disarming the citizens is about ? Does the word tyranny strike a chord ? Our founders did not give us the Second Admendment to fight the British and ride with Paul Revere forever and ever.

Want something to see that may or may not, answer why they want to disarm the citizens ? Go to YouTube and type in Fema Camps or New World Order. If these videos have just one ounce of credibility, therein gives your answer as to why they want to disarm the citizen.


Let me bring the OP thread back on tracks as it has been derailed. By the time election time gets here in November the citizens of the USA are going to see things they would never have dreamed of happening in America. I never dreamed in my wildest dreams that we would have people in America that actually believe what they are being told by politicians is the "best" for them...

Or of a time when there is no right or wrong, just that proverbial gray zone where, " Oh its O.K., its just my rights that are being taken away, you know, the ones my forefathers died out on the battlefield to save for me. No big deal about personal freedoms or rights being taken eh ? After all, our guvmint knows whats best for us doesnt it ?

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Not to be brash as I know nothing about you . The text in red that I have highlighted amazes me. Either you are being sarcastic or you are totally out of contact with reality. Please clarify your post so that I may understand what you truly mean by it. thanks
I am certain Tinner was joking
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I am still unclear, so I will ask again. Just which rights are being taken away from you

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