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Old 05-23-2012, 09:06 PM   #16
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It's hard to unseat a democratic president, mostly because all off the mainstream news outlets are largely democratic. While the rest of the country may suffer from decisions Obama has made or will make, the media will not. The mainstream media is never held accountable for anything they do or say. Obama is the perfect president for unions, media and the DNC. He's a puppet. How bad does unemployment and the economy have to get before the public wises up to what is going on? Romney is not the best candidate possible...but he's far better for the USA than Obama will ever be.

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Eh, I don't know really. I'm very scared, that's all I know. The options are not good if you ask me.
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I'll vote for Romney, and if he picks Christie as VP, I'll even put up a yard sign. I'm not extremely enthusiastic about voting for Romney, but we tried a charismatic exciting president, and that hasn't worked out so well.
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Me too....and I agree about Christi
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How bad does unemployment and the economy have to get before the public wises up to what is going on?
Why do people assume that the government is in control of all employment and economic growth in the country. The government has only 2 things they can do: tax/spend more/less, regulate more/less. It's up to people and businesses to create employment and economic growth.

As for who I'll vote for, I have to wait and see who the real Romney is first - now that he's getting beyond the primary season where he needs to pander to the right-wing, he can be a little more centrist and get his real ideas out there. Before that happens, I think it's too early for anyone to be deciding unless they strictly vote by party lines.

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Why do people assume that the government is in control of all employment and economic growth in the country. The government has only 2 things they can do: tax/spend more/less, regulate more/less. It's up to people and businesses to create employment and economic growth.

As for who I'll vote for, I have to wait and see who the real Romney is first - now that he's getting beyond the primary season where he needs to pander to the right-wing, he can be a little more centrist and get his real ideas out there. Before that happens, I think it's too early for anyone to be deciding unless they strictly vote by party lines.
You are corerct as stated in red but I beg to differ on blaming our nation's business owners for not stimulating the economy. They dont know which way to turn that the government wont stick their nose in their office door. .

If one does some research on why business in our country is stagnant they will see that our government taxation and regulation has driven the entrepeneur in the ground up to their neck..

We have a 2020 page + health care bill that was passed while our SOH Peloski said, "Just sign it everbody , they can read it later ". Does anyone on here know all the fine print in that mess of a bill and how much it will cost and what freedoms we will lose if it is implemented ?

Health care premiums are already skyrocking in anticipations of this rogue bill being implemented.. How is a employer supposed to comfortably take on a lot more full time employees when he/she doesnt have a clue what they may end up paying for company medical insurance ? ...

This is just the tip of the iceburg on a POTUS and cabinet that has done everything in his power to put us on the slippery slope of socialism. The people in the Whitehouse now want us to be like Europe. .

They are shutting down the coal industry in my state one coal fire electricity plant at a time, what do you think that is going to do to electricity prices when we have no alternate way to make power ? ..

The current POTUS has taken our spending budget ( which we still cant get a budget voted on) from what used to be 3 trillion to almost 15 trillion in 3.5 years. If a business person invests or just reads the stock market trends, it is enough to close up shop and go home...

Never in my 42 years of working for a living have I seen our nation so socially and culturally divided. To repeat the above poster, I am scared for our nation, it is falling apart before our eyes..

We now have racism boiling again, rich envy, class warfare. If you do not like this Presidents polocies, then one is immediately labeled a racist. We have a POTUS that cannot run on his record, so he is going to start doing whatever it takes to get the entitlement populace and the Hispanics on the ballot....

If come late fall and the polls look like the POTUS may be unseated, I do not look for a election to be held or possibly a war started. He is not leaving until his plan is implemented, which he has taken the first term to get his people to design, now he needs the next four to finish bringing America to its knees. JMO... Slap a lock on 'er now .....
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We now have racism boiling again, rich envy, class warfare. If you do not like this Presidents polocies, then one is immediately labeled a racist. We have a POTUS that cannot run on his record, so he is going to start doing whatever it takes to get the entitlement populace and the Hispanics on the ballot....
By entitlement populace you mean THEM and certainly not US right? Not the stroked out, tall-free-white-single 60 yo on SSI and Medicaid because greed ate his retirement pension and dropped him from the company healthplan? And what do you mean by entitlement? Preventitive healthcare for kids so they are not first seen in the ER (most expensive entrance to US healthcare) in a crisis? Those who have to rely on public healthcare as it is now because of companies like WalMart that will not insure families forcing all this to a need for national policy in the first place? And you are correct, we should not let Hispanics in America, even those who have lived here for generations more than mine, have a voice in government and they most certainly should not be allowed to run for office or hold significant jobs.

Dr. Rodriguez is planning to carve away on my leg, in an operating room, for a couple hours tomorrow. Should I call and ask for a non-Hispanic-heritage-person you think? Ask to see: Green card? Birth certificate? I do not use it as often as when traveling or living on the West Coast but if I asked these questions of him in Spanish would I be accused of not really being one of US but one of THEM? I doubt it will be the case but if it turns out he was born in or naturalized in Hawaii? As an Hispanic? Will he be descended upon by the wackiest of wacky?

You do know how racist the highlighted section from your diatribe sounds right?

Government has a way of stepping in when we cannot behave as decent and caring human beings. I do wholeheartedly agree that it then bloats and becomes unmanageable almost instantly and no matter the current rhetoric and party in charge. I promise you I could build a school with all the bells and whistles for what is about to be spent on the presidential campaign. Slip me another 1 percent of it and I could build a medical clinic and affordable housing too.

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By entitlement populace you mean THEM and certainly not US right? Not the stroked out, tall-free-white-single 60 yo on SSI and Medicaid because greed ate his retirement pension and dropped him from the company healthplan? And what do you mean by entitlement? Preventitive healthcare for kids so they are not first seen in the ER (most expensive entrance to US healthcare) in a crisis? Those who have to rely on public healthcare as it is now because of companies like WalMart that will not insure families forcing all this to a need for national policy in the first place? And you are correct, we should not let Hispanics in America, even those who have lived here for generations more than mine, have a voice in government and they most certainly should not be allowed to run for office or hold significant jobs.

Dr. Rodriguez is planning to carve away on my leg, in an operating room, for a couple hours tomorrow. Should I call and ask for a non-Hispanic-heritage-person you think? Ask to see: Green card? Birth certificate? I do not use it as often as when traveling or living on the West Coast but if I asked these questions of him in Spanish would I be accused of not really being one of US but one of THEM? I doubt it will be the case but if it turns out he was born in or naturalized in Hawaii? As an Hispanic? Will he be descended upon by the wackiest of wacky?

You do know how racist the highlighted section from your diatribe sounds right?
This is why politics cannot be discussed on a forum. The liberals come out of the woodwork and start twisting what is stated and making up lies ( note in red above ) . Where did I say in my post above anything about me not wanting Hispanics in America? Not that it matters what you or I want, America is now 35% Hispanic and they will be the majority of population in what used to be America in 10 years.

Whats racist about me saying Hispanic ? The media states the POTUS is in such and such state today, tomorrow or next week trying to garner the Hispanic vote. But, when I say Hispanic its racist. ? Get over the racist card crap...

I am wore out hearing the "racism" word especially from the media and the POTUS. Its lame and strawman. I dont care what color a persons skin is, if they are in America legally and are not taking from our programs illegally, they have as much right being here as I do being born and raised here. Want to win a baseless argument ? Throw in the race card. It doesnt work on me though...... ..

ObamaCare... Yeah, thats a good subject. Nothing like socialized medicine. Ask someone in England how they love their healthcare system. Ever wonder why the Canadians with money, end up getting their priority healthcare needs taken care of in the US. Do you think being put on a waiting list so long they may die would have anything to do with it ? ...

There is NO NO NO free lunch. Someone has to pay for healthcare. Go ahead and implement OC. The shortage of doctors will be so prominent it will take 6 months to get in to see about a bleeding ulcer. ...


Those that are faking disabilities ( yes, all the whites too) , the illegal aliens that are drawing SS and getting tax refunds when they dont even have a valid SS number, yes they are getting entitlements. ...

Something that liberals such as yourself do not like to hear the truth about. The truth makes you all queazy in the stomach for fear someone undeserving may not be getting what the rest of us worked for. I got a idea, lets give our nation away one bite at a time. Guess what though, we cant flee north when America becomes third world , because Canada sure as heck dont want us...

And Hey, what about your boy Timothy Geitner (sp?) Mr. O's right hand man giving China the ability to computer access direct sales of our US Treasury Bonds right out of the Treasury Department ? Everyone else gets to go to the Wall Street floor and broker theirs....

How about that one ? Isnt that great for Americas future to know that China now has computer access to our Treasury Dept . Geez, I hope you liberals like what America is coming down to because your going to have to live in the slums just like us conservatives. .
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This is why politics cannot be discussed on a forum. The liberals come out of the woodwork and start twisting what is stated and making up lies ( note in red above ) .


ObamaCare... Yeah, thats a good subject. Nothing like socialized medicine. Ask someone in England how they love their healthcare system. Ever wonder why the Canadians with money, end up getting their priority healthcare needs taken care of in the US. Do you think being put on a waiting list so long they may die would have anything to do with it ? ...

There is NO NO NO free lunch. Someone has to pay for healthcare. Go ahead and implement OC. The shortage of doctors will be so prominent it will take 6 months to get in to see about a bleeding ulcer. ...


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Ok you want to talk about liberal lies..Ha What a joke...

I am so sick and tired of listening to brain washed American crap about our Canadian health care system. Why are Americans so freaking afraid of the word socialism?
Nobody complains about socialist programs like libraries, post offices, rds dept, garbage pick up. When was the last time you heard of someone turning away a fire truck or police officer?

The only ones that think we have long wait times are Americans. Guess what, in many many instances YOUR wait times are longer.
My own personal experience for a tumor from 1st Drs. visit to ultra sound to MRI to surgery all at Princess Margaret Hospital ( world leader in cancer treatment) was 6 weeks...All freakin free!!!

My friend was recently diganosed with breast cancer...2 weeks from 1 st visit to surgery.
Sure we have some rich people who elect to come to the States, just as you have a steady sream of heart patients fleeing to India.

All I can figure is the republicans and corporate greed on the part of insurance companies have succeeded in frightening millions of people into submission

The fact that some hard working American families lose their homes over health treatments is nothing short of disgraceful.
Of course nothing is free, but I'm willing to wager your tax rate is pretty darn close to ours.

At the risk of offending some great people on this site I must say that your great country has become the joke of the world!
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One more thing...before anybody starts in about the premier of Newfoundland fleeing to Florida to have surgery you need the complete story and not the brainwashed American version.
He has a condo there and elected to recover in the warmth

Does anyone else think it very odd that the only ones complaining about our health care system are Americans.. Ask any Canadian and I'll bet they'd say they wouldn't have it any other way.

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Those who have to rely on public healthcare as it is now because of companies like WalMart that will not insure families forcing all this to a need for national policy in the first place?
Affordable health care that is a total joke.
Somebody is paying for it somewhere,it is not going to magically appear.


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You do know how racist the highlighted section from your diatribe sounds right


A lot of people are enjoying the executive privileges of our country without putting anything in,let me give you some insight.
Ever hear of Marcellus Shale or Big Oil?
On the pipeline jobs for the gas wells we had people(100's) some with work permits and most without work permits working throughout Ohio this spring.
You did read about that in the news
Marathon petroleum had 1700 people working in their refinery for 49 days (2011),they got paid $785 each way from Mexico,$100 per diem and an hourly rate of $32.00 an hour.
I don't have a problem with "citizens",I have a problem with people having nothing vested that are raping this country and our Gov't allowing it.
Our family came to this country on a boat from Italy, my Grand parents and each of their 8 children became citizens,the right way.
Now do you wish to call me a racist?
I of all people understand racism.
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I wonder just what freedoms you stand to lose by the implementation of a universal health care system?
It seems to me there will be some to gain if some fat cat from the insurance office has no say in which treatments you are eligible for.
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So who is paying for your "free" health care?
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Well thats what I meant when I said that nothing is free, but out tax rate is close to par with yours.

Here heath care is funded at the provincal level with a little help thrown in from the feds.
How it works is simple..you show up at the Dr, clinic or hospital. Show them your health card. See the Dr. and then leave. Thats it, there is no further charge or invoice or paperwork

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