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Leah Frances 06-04-2009 08:27 PM

Pilots - who enforces the 'rules'
I live near a small-ish local airport (some dude takes his 'fully loaded' G5 to Europe out of it). We do not live in the 'flight pattern' but three or five times during the week I watch some plane cruising over my house on approach or take off from the runway. During nice weekends it might be five or 10 in one day.

this irritates me. I grew up in the flight pattern for National Airport. I do not want to listen to my windows rattle when the jets fly over (oh, yeah, and the jet engines...)

Who can I complain to? Who has authority? I'm not looking to report individual pilots - I think the 'new' tower has resulted in a flexible attitude toward established flight patterns. I want to call someone and report it every time I witness a deviation - and I want it to be someone that has to track the report. Should I call the local police? FAA? Air traffic safety?


micromind 06-04-2009 09:34 PM

I used to fly planes for a living, many years ago. Back when both my eyes still worked!

See if you can find the local GADO. General Aviation District Office. These guys are responsible for establishing traffic patterns, preferred takeoff and approach routes, and noise abatement. They have nothing to do with scheduled airlines, just small planes including business jets. (AKA 'bizjets'.)

If they get enough complaints about noise, they can recommend (and sometimes require) a non-standard flight traffic pattern. Most pilots pay close attention to these recommendations. We've learned over the years that if we aren't good neighbors, recommendations become requirements. This costs us time and fuel. (AKA money.)

I haven't flown in over 20 years, but I still remember charts stating something like 'for noise abatement, right hand traffic is recommended'. Or something like that.

Good luck, hopefully you actually can make a difference here.


skymaster 06-04-2009 10:50 PM

Leah, Sorry but the airport was there long before you moved there: The FAA sets the regs, local GADO helps oversee etc. There are noise abatement regs that are strictly followed. I am not making this personal but as a pilot I am getting real tired of people moving close to an existing,active airport, knowing full well there will be traffic and then complaining about the noise.
Your area is growing, the airport is growing with it because there is a demand and need for it to do so. The airport is not going away, they are not going to run it to suit you. Try to appreciate how safely it is run, the fact that the airport helps keep YOUR taxes lower, supports many local people with jobs, who in turn support all the local stores YOU shop in, ad infinitum.
By chance are you talking about Baybridge? :} If so Go to Hemmingway's ( at least it used to be called that ) right on the bay and at the end of the runway, sit on the deck, have some great seafood and learn to enjoy what the airport has to offer.
You know what the other alternative is.

InPhase277 06-04-2009 11:02 PM

The secret has to come out sometime... I make the rules, yes, me. Surprising, I know. And I say the planes fly over your house specifically. Sorry, but it turns out there is some sort of nexus in the space-time continuum, where the jets get their maximum fuel economy, directly over your dwelling.

Leah Frances 06-05-2009 07:59 AM

Did I come to the nuisance, no, actually. Because the established flight pattern is NOT over my house.

It is my understanding, from attending a meeting with the head of the airport, that since the new tower was built the air traffic controller is now allows planes to DEVIATE from the established areas.

I'll repeat. Not mad at the Pilots. When they radio the tower and the tower instructs them to do this - it's the tower's fault.

Hemmingway's - good crab cakes. But, I'm Easton.

InPhase. Hmmm. I always suspect that someone was out to get me...

skymaster 06-05-2009 10:53 AM

Ahhhhhhhhhhh I see: The fact that they have restructured the Restricted Area over DC, The fact that you may be in the ittsy bitty VFR corridor that sneaks between all the controlled air space, the fact that the tower folks are trying squeeze all the traffice thru there, that they MUST maintain both VFR and IFR traffic separation PER FAA regs, along with nose abatement etc means nothing. When you bought your house you also bought all the air space above it, therefore they NEED your permission to use that air space. Darn I missed that part during my training.
I suggest you contact the FAA, Congress,Senate, Osamba and all other relevant parties and instruct them NOT to use YOUR air space with express written permission.:whistling2:

Scuba_Dave 06-05-2009 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by skymaster (Post 283204)
I suggest you contact the FAA, Congress,Senate, Osamba and all other relevant parties and instruct them NOT to use YOUR air space with express written permission.:whistling2:

The only useful part of the post

SKIP4661 06-07-2009 09:05 PM

Shoot at them when they fly over. You won't have to hear them too much afterwards.:laughing:

skymaster 06-07-2009 10:17 PM

Skip :}:}:}:}:} careful now remember the pilots are now armed, they can shoot back :yes::wink:

Ed the Roofer 06-11-2009 02:06 AM

It also matters which way the wind is blowing regarding the direction for take-offs and landings.

Any direction around an airport is part of the potential flight path.

By the way, I never did get licensed, but I did take lessons for the fun of it


skymaster 06-11-2009 02:40 PM

Ed; Sorry to hear you didnt get your "ticket" Tho I am no longer current or active it was sooooo great, I miss it very very much.

RDS 06-11-2009 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by skymaster (Post 283204)

This bit seems beneath you, Skymaster.

For the rest, though, it's hard to argue with your logic, though living near Newark Liberty I can sympathize with Leah's plight.

Scuba_Dave 06-11-2009 03:40 PM

Just watch out for speeding

Leah Frances 06-11-2009 03:47 PM

The real issue is that the airport is expanding it's 'safety zone'. Our neighborhood found out when three neighbors got letters - ostensibly from the FAA - saying that they are going to condemn the properties. The airport is currently failing to enforce their own 'recommendations' and seems to have NO accountability whatsoever. I have real concerns that an airport that can't adhere to rules for it's tower or pilots may be playing it fast and loose with the eminent domain issue.

Again, my problem isn't with the pilots. It's with the airport administration. I think the community should knew exactly how often planes deviate from the established flight path and the reasons why. If there is a genuine reason to expand the safety zone, so be it. But I think the airport may be misreporting or misrepresenting things.

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