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Old 11-27-2010, 07:22 PM   #16
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Yes it will. Generally not an over night thing. Takes time, more then just a day or 2. The oil is thinner, and has to run past the rings first. then the water will sometime later.

Compression rings don't seal as tight when they are cold as when they are hot.
How much time???

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Old 11-27-2010, 07:27 PM   #17
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How much time???
Don't know an exact time. never tried to time it.

Found water in an engines oil more then once already. And no head gaskets were blown.

Its just the nature of moisture/water.

Start the engine up. And not too long after the engine is up to temp. The water will be boiled/evaporated off.

All gasoline car engines rely on the engine heat to get the moisture out of the oil.
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Old 11-27-2010, 07:28 PM   #18
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Don't know an exact time. never tried to time it.

Found water in an engines oil more then once already. And no head gaskets were blown.

Its just the nature of moisture/water.

Start the engine up. And not too long after the engine is up to temp. The water will be boiled/evaporated off.

All gasoline car engines rely on the engine heat to get the moisture out of the oil.
Really how much.
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Old 11-27-2010, 07:40 PM   #19
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Really how much.
Never actually measured how much it was.

Use to work for my brother on weekends turning wrench. Would find some water in the oil of some of the cars we would strip the engines out of.

Find a rust/water mark/stain on a cylinder wall of an engine every so often. They were the ones that had sat the longest. How long. Don't know anymore. not sure I ever knew how long. It wasn't really important then.
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Never actually measured how much it was.

Use to work for my brother on weekends turning wrench. Would find some water in the oil of some of the cars we would strip the engines out of.

Find a rust/water mark/stain on a cylinder wall of an engine every so often. They were the ones that had sat the longest. How long. Don't know anymore. not sure I ever knew how long. It wasn't really important then.
So theses engines werent running
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So theses engines werent running
Not sure anymore if all of them ran. Bit the most of them were driven in under their own power. As in the motor was running. Some just needed gas in the tank, and they would start.

Some of them were racing engines. Some regular engines that were going to be used in another car. And we were pulling the engine out, and putting it right back in another car.

Others we got them from a salvage yard.

Oil was always changed. Some had water in it. Others didn't.
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Not sure anymore if all of them ran. Bit the most of them were driven in under their own power. As in the motor was running. Some just needed gas in the tank, and they would start.

Some of them were racing engines. Some regular engines that were going to be used in another car. And we were pulling the engine out, and putting it right back in another car.

Others we got them from a salvage yard.

Oil was always changed. Some had water in it. Others didn't.
Your talking about worn engines and salvaged engines not new broken in engines. Like i said before if there is water in the pan because of the rings leaks over months rusted away cross hatching, stuck or broken rings, time for a new engine or rebuild. If cars allowed the volumes of water in which your infering we are all in trouble.
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Your talking about worn engines and salvaged engines not new broken in engines. Like i said before if there is water in the pan because of the rings leaks over months rusted away cross hatching, stuck or broken rings, time for a new engine or rebuild. If cars allowed the volumes of water in which your infering we are all in trouble.
I talking about engines with anywhere from 5,000 miles on them and up. Some in great shape. Some not.

Some of these engines where 12:1 compression ratios. Yes, they were racing engines.

There are millions of cars in this country alone. Each one of then draws a small amount of moisture into the engine over night when it is shut off and cools down. Along with how ever many of those cars are driven to work in the morning, and then shut off. That also draw in moisture as they cool down.

This moisture must be removed. And it is the engine heat that performs that job. Motor oil manufacturers have known this for longer then you or I have been alive. And have relied on it in making their oil mixtures for the properties they want in their oil.

If you don't believe me thats fine. You can always contact one and ask them.
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I talking about engines with anywhere from 5,000 miles on them and up. Some in great shape. Some not.

Some of these engines where 12:1 compression ratios. Yes, they were racing engines.

There are millions of cars in this country alone. Each one of then draws a small amount of moisture into the engine over night when it is shut off and cools down. Along with how ever many of those cars are driven to work in the morning, and then shut off. That also draw in moisture as they cool down.

This moisture must be removed. And it is the engine heat that performs that job. Motor oil manufacturers have known this for longer then you or I have been alive. And have relied on it in making their oil mixtures for the properties they want in their oil.

If you don't believe me thats fine. You can always contact one and ask them.
It not that i dont believe you its you made it seem like all moisture passed by rings which is wrong. You also made it seem like pint or gallons of moisture made it in to the pan. Secondly i never brought up motor oil you did. Also racing engines are subject to higher crank pressures than yo regular engine and they do not contain emmision control systems like your average car which is most common car and trucks. I am aware of air and the properties of moisture and how oil is hydroscopic. But moisture in the oil and the amounts that you would have others believe enter the oil is minor and negligable. they didn't design cars to get rid of moisture in the pan it just happens is a happy by product. And no i am not going to call oil manufacturers unless you want m to waste my time, i will just rely on your wikpedia wisdom.


Also i am not an idiot, but your explanations of simple things is almost insulting. But i guess you have been there and done that, in fact you have done it all. Your probaly never wrong either or are you.

Ps thank for not commenting on grammar and spelling, on an ipad.
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Not hard for an engine to get a teaspoon or 2 or 3 of water in it. And many get more then that over the total course of a day.

768 teaspoons make 1 gallon. So that makes over 75,000 gallons of water at least once a day. In this country alone.

How you interpret what you read. is your problem. Not mine.

There are probably over 50 million cars on the road in this country alone. Do the math with a car being used started and driven 3 times a day.

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