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Old 07-16-2010, 02:19 PM   #1
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In light of recent conversations on this thread, I have a question that I'd like to float out there. All replies/answers are welcome.

How can someone who has a felony conviction land an apprenticeship or position as some type of assistant in order to learn the flooring trade? I've been trying, but, sadly, certain legal troubles have precluded me from every such opportunity that I've pursued.

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It's gonna be tough, especially in the current economic climate.

I don't know the laws (offhand) of Illinois or how long ago this happened but some states limit the time a prospective employer can look back on an applicants record. That would be something you would want to be aware of.

Depending on what type of business you would be looking at, bonding could be important and the felony surely won't help there.

Other than that, time and your history since the initial problem are about your best friends. A sparkling clean history since the time of the initial crime is going to be critical and the longer that period covers, the more proof of a change of lifestyle.


Have you spoken to any union apprenticeship directors?

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Other than that, you just keep looking for a guy that is willing to give you a break and hire you.
Yes, I've basically accepted this approach to the whole thing.

Now, I'm not interested in learning the flooring trade for the money. My lawn care operation is basically bringing in an annual figure that's pretty close to my old teaching salary. It's the craft of flooring that interests me.

I agree that it's difficult to put a positive spin on the felony thing, and I see what you're saying about perceived potential for violence. It is, however, important to understand the context. I had been victimized by 2 other hangup calls earlier that same week and had received a more than a handful of crank calls two months previous.

In my opinion, I was found guilty because the judge failed to consider the context of the situation. This was evident during the sentencing, in which he shared his assessment of the situation, as informed by his reading of the voicemail transcripts:

"Sir, not only are the messages that you left very disturbing to the mind, but they are terrifying to the human spirit."

Apparently this judge has never seen a late night cable comedy special. He completely overreacted.
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Don't know about your state, but the majority of flooring installers in this country are not union. Most installers learn the trade by working under another installer. Your felony would probably impact you at a big box, they won't even hire an installer who has bad credit.
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Don't know about your state, but the majority of flooring installers in this country are not union. Most installers learn the trade by working under another installer. Your felony would probably impact you at a big box, they won't even hire an installer who has bad credit.
In the country? The guy is in Chicago land. Unions own the town. Hell, we have union electricians paid to plug in anything that needs to be plugged in at McCormick place when they have a show. Nobody plugs or unplugs anything unless they are an electrician hired to do so.

Yes, it is a bit nuts. I'll admit to that but there is some underlying justification for it.
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Yes, Chicago is a union town, obviously. I don't really blame the unions for my inability to land the type of position that I'm interested in, though. I'm the one who made the phone calls.

I'd like to make one thing clear: I'm not a violent person. At times, I'm angry and have been told that, on occasion, I overreact. But I'm a pacifist. One of the touchstones of my master's thesis was the phenomena of civil disobedience and respectful disagreement during the the Egyptian Revolution of 1919.

However, I do admit that I'm a bit of a wordsmith when it comes to profanity. At times, people have mistaken this creativity for rage. I guess I can respect that interpretation, but it's very off-base.
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Rusty,

There's another thread in which I was mulling over the possibility of there being discriminatory censorship in the flooring forum, targeting new forum members ("Newbies") and black forum members. I've had something like 10 or 15 posts and replies deleted, and I was pretty upset about it.

There were quite a few objections to this idea, and I came to accept the fact that I was overreacting.

Even though I never stated with any certainty that there was a "racial theme" in the flooring forum, I retracted all my statements regarding race. I was simply raising a question.

I now understand that there is no way that other forum members and moderators could have any idea of another member's race unless the member discloses that information, publicly.

I appreciate Willy T's repeated participation in his thread, even though I have no idea whatsoever about what he's been talking about. At one point he suggested that I pursue rational emotive behavior therapy.
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There's another thread in which I was mulling over the possibility of there being discriminatory censorship in the flooring forum, targeting new forum members ("Newbies") and black forum members. I've had something like 10 or 15 posts and replies deleted, and I was pretty upset about it.
Actually your entire tiling over carpet thread was moved to the Staff area, at your request
Other then that thread there are only 4 other posts by you that have been moved to the staff area
Not 10-15
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Vinny, If you want to learn the flooring or any other trade, then all the more power to you and good luck.

I don’t care if you’re the best new guy I’ve ever hired. If I got to listen to even a portion of this type of drama on one of my jobs, you’re out of there. Just for the simple reason that you’re irritating me.

If you get that riled up over a couple of phone calls what would happen if you actually had a legit reason to get pissed off.

I could really care less if you fought with your woman last night or why the alarm clock got unplugged, again. All I want from you "new guy" is to “Shut up and nail”.

Something to consider if someone does open the door for you and give you a chance.

Good luck.
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Here is the way we will continue with this thread open
ANY insult the thread is gone...no discussion
If you want to give help/consructive criticism then by all means do so
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Darnit..... I was hoping......

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hmmm...na i got nothing
Thatís because the other two pages of post got lost in cyberspace.
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