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Old 09-25-2012, 10:47 AM   #16
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and here I thought it was Jobs (just returning to Apple) that got Gates to invest the money in Apple

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More along the lines of people moving from XP to apple.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:12 PM   #18
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imacs were sweet to look at .... don't know how they were to work with
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You mean the $150M Microsoft bailout in 1997 led Apple to where they stand now.
Now, now now. We don't talk about the fact that at any point in history of the company, Microsoft could have squeezed the you know what's and made the fruit people sing soprano. Actually it could not. And still cannot although since the late 90s voting stock that could determine the future of Apple has been in the hands of MS loyalists. I forget others know about the bailout. I had just left Silicon Valley.

I didn't hang with the guys but knew Gates (from Albuquerque days), Jobs and Wozniak. I worked for a company that knew all of them were on the wrong path. Natural language computing and not canned or custom developed software or cute little machines would win. We did buy out the first retail computer store chain in the country and were the first to suit Apple for the way it treated dealers and prohibited alternative parts to theirs.

Of course the word MS feared most at the time was "Antitrust" and still does to a point. It penned in and fed its competitor food pellets like a South American Norwegian Salmon farm because it needed a competitor having crushed everybody else that came close to offering a personal computer operating system. AT&T, Bell Labs and all, shot themselves in the foot not making Unix work early. I remember sweet PCs running Unix and en DOS interchangeably. They had the then, state of the art, connectivity nothing could match. Companies like AT&T and IBM just really never got that personal computers were going to be a real thing.

Only thing that really survived from the biggies was C on which Apple OS still runs in some ways. Many others owe that to Bell Labs.

And let's not talk about the DEC Rainbow. And with them out of the way, Oracle and Silicon Graphics took the minicomputer market with near nobody in their way. And of course the National Center for Supercomputing Applications came to life in the same period and Chang (and Honeywell) were real for a time.

It all had to compress though as chips got faster and were able to hold more and more.

Battle now? There used to be a chart I loved out West showing just how inbred the semiconductor industry was. All the children became rather dull save for those that dared date outside the family. It would be fun to recreate that chart about right now because there is a shift underway.

We are shifting from software to firmware and hardware again. It happen on a cyclical basis. Would you, for example pay even $30 for a construction estimating software application if I pointed you to a free one better with ads, or $2 without that ran on your smartphone or tablet? Of course not. At what point, if a $2 application did everything Adobe whatever did but only on your small screens would you revolt and just say, "I am not giving you another $1800 to work on my PC or Apple?" They will be one of the first to collapse, by the way. Too big, too heavy, too arrogant.

I never thought I would get to watch another shift in my lifetime. I find it amazing and beyond hilarious fun.

The first "personal" computer assigned me for exclusive use was the size of a desk (you could order the laminate in whatever color or pattern). It was beyond state of the art with a whopping 16K of memory (if you bought the upgrade) and if you pushed for discounts, you could have had one too for about $45,000 as I remember. Sounds silly but that machine was programmable in English nouns and verbs and it wasted absolutely none of its hardware resources wading through outdated and leftover code that bloats today's machines.

But back to Apple. It may still make it for awhile but Google or again, look carefully at the chart I mentioned should be constructed, MS will. I say again, nobody has yet made a phone, at whatever price point, I can run through a washing machine!
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thanks for the info! I remember my days long time ago writing fortran IV programs and working the keypunch machine, then to the machine operator to load my cards. then spending hours finding syntax errors. the first pc the company I worked for purchased was around 1980 and went for $12,500 (HP). Of course that was cheaper than a $100,000 for a main frame and a handful of terminals. Amazing that today we have so much ram and the latest processors, but we still complain about speed. my original mac booted in seconds and I don't ever remember complaining about speed. people don't realize there was a time you didn't run to the store to purchase a program, you wrote it yourself or hired someone to do so.

as long as there is competition you will get innovation.

Thanks again for the stroll down memory lane.
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Silicon Valley is part of me. I am glad I had the common sense to leave, and never return but for business and personal family matters. It just happened to fast for people to know how to behave. It still has more per capita millionaires than any other single geographic region on the planet. It used to be able to ignite the next tech trend faster than anywhere else. But rich as the people are in strangely defined ways, nobody taught any of them philanthropy or even treating people nicely is a good thing. Charitable giving in Silicon Valley is lower, when compared to available income, than almost anywhere in the Country. Some Evangelical pockets are worse.

Was it fun in the days I was there? You bet and I got to teeter totter between the semiconductor and emerging computer industry. I still know the chipmakers best and they hated, by the way, being called Silicon Valley.

On the computing side? Along with heady pursuits and discussions about computing and writing your own programs to run your business (really did scare IBM though) there was that other band of crazies. The early gamers. I used to go to lunch and run into the guys building all the Atari did.

I think of those that should have gotten out alive though. If I had to pick a PC that should have made it and could have left many in the wake? The Amiga. What a sweet, sweet machine for its time. It was one of the first with a built in, clunky but full color MIDI interface just to start. Commodore would not let go if its gaming business to push it though.

One wonders what those who most certainly will outhink and outlive me will say. I hope they give some thought to sustainability. It is fine to talk about paperless and the weightlessness of things like this post for instance. Not true. This ever important post just got sent to server somewhere that is requiring both continous power and air conditioning to stay alive. I promise.
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Can you really talk faster on an iphone? My old flip phone appears to talk in 'real-time' with no delays or pasues. Or does it convert Southern to NY speak?
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Can you really talk faster on an iphone? My old flip phone appears to talk in 'real-time' with no delays or pasues. Or does it convert Southern to NY speak?
All depends on the carrier really not the phone.
LTE is faster then 3G but technically that's only for Internet not for voice and you can't do both on Verizon the iphone has one antenna which is better then normal phones. Bottom line the smart phones have a better speaker and microphone.
No: the iPhone does not make southern talk into New York or Boston voice. Lol
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Im a little sorry I didn't hold out for the blackberry 10's arrival in the new year. It will be the best of both worlds.
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Im a little sorry I didn't hold out for the blackberry 10's arrival in the new year. It will be the best of both worlds.
I very much doubt that Creeper. Sources say just a mini playbook nothing more nothing less
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Maybe the android is just too much phone for me, but I insist my ancient Blackberry had a few features that frustrated me less than this Samsung, as cool as it is
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Maybe the android is just too much phone for me, but I insist my ancient Blackberry had a few features that frustrated me less than this Samsung, as cool as it is
There are things about the blackberry when I had it I miss like the BBM and sharing music and creating documents seemed much better then iPhone and I was a BB user since the track wheel on the side and left when os6 came out.

I find that the Motorola droids are meant for time traveling and are very complicated to use the HTC and Samsung are more iphonish feel to them although google candy named os are getting more user friendly.
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My carrier has dropped all Blackberry plans. Jan, it was a concept but it will not survive. Among other things it remained $5-10 more than Android plans.
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Remembered this fun read if anybody ever wants to explore one account of what happened out there. Funny title and funny book. What is scary is that history is repeating itself.





Of course Bill Gates avoided Silicon Valley. He was hatched with the first ever personal computer in Albuquerque and later moved to Pacific Northwest.

The second largest visible source of venture capital in the US, by the way, is here in Chicago. If you add in other speculative financial investments and private angel capital, the amount of money here dwarfs Silicon Valley by billions. Venture capitalists here actually read business plans though and have staff to chase down technology claims. Hopefully something stupid like a dot com bubble and burst cannot happen here.
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My carrier has dropped all Blackberry plans. Jan, it was a concept but it will not survive. Among other things it remained $5-10 more than Android plans.
I'm not so sure. To be certain, Blackberry is in critical condition, but they are not dead and I'm sure the release of the 10 will help revive them.

I think they have enough loyalty to help them regain there place in the market. This 10 will not be better than the Samsung, but it will help BB remain competative.

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