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Old 04-19-2012, 07:07 AM   #16
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Creeper ---> "Should I light it?"

DevilDog ---> "Yeah, go ahead man light it" Sticks fingers in ears.


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Old 04-19-2012, 07:18 AM   #17
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I think the reason DC (and other Metro areas) have such troubles is because they are surrounded by areas that have lax standards.

Couple the fact that drug dealers cannot take their "business complaints" to any formal Court and the fact that guns can be brought in from 20 minutes away and you have a problem.


The NRA stance has always been "If you outlaw guns, only Outlaws will have guns."

While my stance is "If you outlaw all guns, Outlaws will have a heck of a time getting their hands on one."

Don't get me wrong. I support the 2nd Amendment, to a point. I hunt and carry a concealed weapon most days.

But I know I'm one of the good guys. I think the standards for proving that your one of the good guys and the manner in which you are allowed to keep a firearm in your home need to be evaluated.
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1.) Making guns illegal for legal citizens to own, (in an effort to stop crime) - is the equivalent of making it illegal for people to drive cars, as an effort to stop drunk drivers.

2.) Review the amount of crime committed with other weapons in countries that have outlawed firearms. England = They still have crime. They now use baseball bats, knives, swords, and other weapons - to commit their crimes.

3.) A firearm is only a "weapon" when it is used to harm another person. The same can be said for a vehicle, a brick, a 2x4, a sharpened tree branch = anything.

4.) Think of it. A sign on a college campus with a law that states that it is illegal to bring guns there - is NOT going to stop the nutjob that is hell-bent on a shooting spree.

5.) Criminals ALWAYS have (and will have) access to firearms (and other deadly weapons). This is regardless of what any laws in the land stipulate. Taking firearms out of the hands of upright, law-abiding, sane citizens = is simply making them easy targets. There was a documentary about this. The creators went into prisons and interviewed hardened criminals, who stated "they had no fear of any stupid laws that are supposed to govern handguns". They will use whatever means are necessary to get what they want, including carrying and using illegal handguns. The only thing that they were weary of, were areas that allowed legal citizens the right to defend themselves with legal firearms.

6.) Read this (an experienced Police Officers observations): http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/128...he_Basics.html


I wish no ill will, or harm - to anyone. However, there are very, very, bad and warped individuals out there who do not feel the same. They are walking our streets and possibly living next door to us (Its in the news all the time). These people have no regard for fairness, morality, or even human life....
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Creeper ---> "Should I light it?"

DevilDog ---> "Yeah, go ahead man light it" Sticks fingers in ears.



The thing is, it doesn't matter how loud the bang is, deaf ears are deaf ears.

Hows this for a sonic boom...I suspect (and I am totally open to being wrong) the mentality that is not open to stricter gun laws is the very same mentality that is opposed to universal health care. As if it somehow infringes on your rights as a free and capitalist society. Oh no the socialist are coming!!

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1.) Making guns illegal for legal citizens to own, (in an effort to stop crime) - is the equivalent of making it illegal for people to drive cars, as an effort to stop drunk drivers.

2.) Review the amount of crime committed with other weapons in countries that have outlawed firearms. England = They still have crime. They now use baseball bats, knives, swords, and other weapons - to commit their crimes.

3.) A firearm is only a "weapon" when it is used to harm another person. The same can be said for a vehicle, a brick, a 2x4, a sharpened tree branch = anything.

4.) Think of it. A sign on a college campus with a law that states that it is illegal to bring guns there - is NOT going to stop the nutjob that is hell-bent on a shooting spree.

5.) Criminals ALWAYS have (and will have) access to firearms (and other deadly weapons). This is regardless of what any laws in the land stipulate. Taking firearms out of the hands of upright, law-abiding, sane citizens = is simply making them easy targets. There was a documentary about this. The went into prisons and interviewed hardened criminals, who stated "they had no fear of any stupid laws that are supposed to govern handguns". They will use whatever means are necessary to get what they want, including carrying and using illegal handguns. The only thing that they were weary of, were areas that allowed legal citizens the right to defend themselves with legal firearms.

6.) Read this (an experienced Police Officers observations): http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1285487_Street_robberies_and_you___The_Basics.html


I wish no ill will, or harm - to anyone. However, there are very, very, bad and warped individuals out there who do not feel the same. They are walking our streets and possibly living next door to us (Its in the news all the time). These people have no regard for fairness, morality, or even human life....

I will give you the respect of reading your points more thoroughly when I return,
but I will say in regard to point 2 that nobody was hurt or killed in the crossfire of a baseball bat beating. And no children were accidently killed when little brother found Daddy's handgun in the nightstand
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I will give you the respect of reading your points more thoroughly when I return,
but I will say in regard to point 2 that nobody was hurt or killed in the crossfire of a baseball bat beating. And no children were accidently killed when little brother found Daddy's handgun in the nightstand

Not a proper comparison at all. That has nothing to do with the actual point. You are referring to individual events that happen because of specific people "acting carelessly" (that does not represent the broad spectrum of all responsible firearms owners, much the same as the poor ethical actions of a sports athelete - do not represent "all sports and all atheletes").

Your undocumented examples, are points of "negligence", and can be equated to any situation where a person fails to excercise due caution.

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Conduct that falls below the standards of behavior established by law for the protection of others against unreasonable risk of harm. A person has acted negligently if he or she has departed from the conduct expected of a reasonably prudent person acting under similar circumstances
- http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...com/Negligence


A moral & sane person seeks to be responsible and avoid negligence in many ways.
Examples: Responsible people don't leave a pool wide open to unsupervised young children. They don't drive dangerously or recklessly. They don't leave a sharp knife on the floor. They don't leave flammables improperly stored, etc, etc.
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My concern for this type of thread is that it distracts us from our mission here, helping and helping others with their DIY problems.

I was hoping for questions like "What's the funniest thing you ever saw?"

That sort of stuff
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I propose that after we settle this minor issue of Gun Control through well reasoned and logical debate, we move onto the smaller issues of,

Abortion
Religious Freedom
Universal Health Care
Legalized Euthanasia

and whether or not Women Are Chatel
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CplDD,

What was the funniest thing you ever saw? Strangest call? (we get ones like "there's a ghost in my living room, please get him outta here"). Best "citizen relationship" thing your PD did? (ours let's seniors register for a "good morning" program. We expect you to call each morning and check in, if you don't, we call you. If you don't answer, we are coming to visit you!)
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That's a good one. I like the Good Morning idea. A nice PR idea.

My funniest.

We responded to a Burglar Alarm Activation on a Commercial Business about 2 AM or so. Turns out to be a dance school for children/teens. Open door, no sign of forced entry, just unsecured. So we go in and do a building search.

No threats. As we're getting ready to leave and figure out a way to secure the door here comes the "class clown" of our squad waltzing out of the storeroom with a pink tutu on over his duty belt.

A second later, in walks the school owner! Called at home by the Alarm Monitoring Co.
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Yeah we had our share of "Regulars". "Ghost in my living room!",

"Secret Agents in my basement..."

The dispatchers would always send the new recruits over with their Field Training Officers to see how they handled it.

I had one on my beat that would call every few weeks with some new story or other. Problem was, she had narcolepsy and while she's laying on the bed telling me all these wild stories she keeps falling asleep with a lit Marlboro in her hands.

The bed spread was covered in little burn holes.
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Its your thread.

Sorry to have contributed to the side tracking - of the actual topic.
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I propose that after we settle this minor issue of Gun Control through well reasoned and logical debate, we move onto the smaller issues of,

Abortion
Religious Freedom
Universal Health Care
Legalized Euthanasia

and whether or not Women Are Chatel
How dare you call women chatel...

Its chatell..
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Yeah we had our share of "Regulars". "Ghost in my living room!",

"Secret Agents in my basement..."

The dispatchers would always send the new recruits over with their Field Training Officers to see how they handled it.

I had one on my beat that would call every few weeks with some new story or other. Problem was, she had narcolepsy and while she's laying on the bed telling me all these wild stories she keeps falling asleep with a lit Marlboro in her hands.

The bed spread was covered in little burn holes.
Lol! Same thing, whoever has least seniority, it's their call to handle.

What is amazing to me, is the amount of cybercrime we are seeing, and how good the bad guys are at it. Fake EBay and craigslist sites are SSSOOO good, you won't know you're on the fake site.

So you were a copper at what, 19? How long for? What was the straw that broke the camel's back and made you leave?
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Also, Cpl, worst calls? ( the neighbor who calls with a really bad odor next door, and no one has seen the person in that unit for a month.....dead bodies are NOTHING like what you see in movies and TV, everyone pukes with their first one).

Were you a Statie or a local?

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