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If you ask me, it sounds like you work for Monsanto or one of it's subsidiaries.
Even though in my post I specifically said I don't like Monsanto? How fiendish and clever of me!! I dislike Monsanto for their business practices. Lumping everything "GMO" in with how Monsanto functions is ridiculous. If your problem is with them or how they work, I completely agree. Their patenting and lawsuit spree is outright ridiculous.

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One would think that spraying herbicides, like Agent Orange, over edible foods should be enough evidence for any rational human.
Evidence of what? You're mixing up GMO with the organic food movement again. Nothing is to stop someone from pouring pesticides on a non-genetically modified food, and nothing is to stop someone from growing a genetically modified seed organically. They are TOTALLY separate issues.

The fact that you are trying to sound like an expert on this movement, and have no idea that genetically modified foods don't have to be labeled, really does not help your credibility, and I'm not saying that to be mean. The movement to get the FDA to require GMO's to be labeled is HUGE, and I don't even follow the industry. As far as the organic label, something can have ean organic label on it and still contain up to 30% genetically modified food. There is a separate label for "100% organic" that is supposed to not contain ANY GMO food. Big difference.

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The classic conspiracy believer tends to focus on only those facts that support his/her position and ignors any other facts that may cast doubt......

So...lets look at some facts....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food

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The two primary methods of producing genetically modified plants from which food is derived, are transgenesis and cisgenesis. Transgenic plants have genes inserted into them that are derived from another species, whereas Cisgenic plants are made using genes found within the same species or a closely related one, where conventional plant breeding can occur. Some breeders and scientists argue that cisgenic modification is useful for plants that are difficult to crossbreed by conventional means (such as potatoes), and that plants in the cisgenic category should not require the same level of legal regulation as other genetically modified organisms.[5]
Genetically engineered plants are generated in a laboratory by altering their genetic makeup and are tested in the laboratory for desired qualities. This is usually done by adding one or more genes to a plant's genome using genetic engineering techniques. Most genetically modified plants are generated by the biolistic method (particle gun) or by Agrobacterium tumefaciens mediated transformation. Once satisfactory plants are produced, sufficient seeds are gathered, and the companies producing the seed need to apply for regulatory approval to field-test the seeds. If these field tests are successful, the company must seek regulatory approval for the crop to be marketed (see Regulation of the release of genetic modified organisms). Once that approval is obtained, the seeds are mass produced, and sold to farmers. The farmers produce genetically modified crops, which also contain the inserted gene and its protein product. The farmers then sell their crops as commodities into the food supply market, in countries where such sales are permitted.
Ya know...the above is not much different that what my mom's family was doing 50 years ago...they grew orange trees...so they would spend 10-12 hours on their knees grafting buds from other types of orange trees on the seedlings. This was the original way plants were 'genetically modified'.

The new method is just a bit more exact.....

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Scientists first discovered that DNA can transfer between organisms in 1946.[6] The first genetically modified plant was produced in 1983, using an antibiotic-resistant tobacco plant. In 1994, the transgenic Flavr Savr tomato was approved by the FDA for marketing in the US - the modification allowed the tomato to delay ripening after picking.[2] In the US in 1995, the following transgenic crops received marketing approval: canola with modified oil composition (Calgene), Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) corn/maize (Ciba-Geigy), cotton resistant to the herbicide bromoxynil (Calgene), Bt cotton (Monsanto), Bt potatoes (Monsanto), soybeans resistant to the herbicide glyphosate (Monsanto), virus-resistant squash (Asgrow), and additional delayed ripening tomatoes (DNAP, Zeneca/Peto, and Monsanto).[2] In 2000, with the production of golden rice, scientists genetically modified food to increase its nutrient value for the first time. As of 2011, the U.S. leads a list of multiple countries in the production of GM crops, and 25 GM crops had received regulatory approval to be grown commercially.[7]
Lets be honest....the real push behind the anti GMO crowd is financial....what better way to promote the sale of your 'organic crop' than to convince people that GMO foods are not safe....not only do you sale more, but you jack the price up more than the comparible item.

^^THAT is the real conspiracy....
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Water is probably also an ingredient of the famous Agent Orange used in Vietnam, stop fear-mongering.
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Haha...gotta stoop to that level of arguments, huh? Sad... 2,4-D is a known carcinogen, last I checked water is not.
Then say "known carcinogen 2,4-D" (and, at least according to the few articles I just skimmed on this, it is not a "known" carcinogen, but a "debated" carcinogen), not "an ingredient in Agent Orange." The latter is irrelevant and disingenuous and used purely for shock factor.
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I understand now.....the OP is baseing his information on SourceWatch......

http://www.judicialhellholes.org/201...Fad_QgodW1gA9A

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SourceWatch’ Exposed: Website Backed by Organic Food Industry Scrambles to Take down Court Documents after Being Caught in the Act
As briefly reported here late last week, WikiLeaks wannbe “SourceWatch.org” had recently begun posting previously unsealed, proprietary documents provided during discovery by Syngenta, the defendant in a long-running, if meritless, class action in Madison County, Illinois. But now, caught in the act by Judicial Hellholes reporters, SourceWatch operatives are scrambling to pull down those documents, particularly the ones that suggest a direct link between the website and the plaintiffs’ attorneys.
Not only is SourceWatch feverishly pulling down documents it had posted earlier, it’s erasing online records of those deletions, presumably in hopes of covering its tracks. So much for all that “transparency” that SourceWatch’s sponsor, the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD), hypocritically insists is always in short supply when it comes to all those big, bad corporations that just happen to employ tens of millions of Americans.
SourceWatch’s nascent document-dump webpage, “Atrazine Exposed,” funded in large part by the organic farming industry, is perhaps designed to undermine Syngenta — the manufacturer of atrazine, a safe and widely used weed killer — in the eyes of future jurors, or otherwise to help pressure the chemical company into a costly settlement with the plaintiffs.
In any case, CMD and SourceWatch routinely rant and rave about corporations’ efforts to influence politics, public policy and the law, but apparently they have no qualms about trying to do so themselves. A victory for the plaintiffs in the atrazine class action, slowly playing out in longstanding judicial hellhole Madison County since 2004, will make conventional farming more costly and thus could make organic farming marginally more competitive. So who’s trying to exercise influence now?
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SourceWatch (formerly Disinfopedia) is a collaborative online wiki operated by the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD), an American progressive organization.[2] According to the project's website, it "aims to produce a directory of public relations firms, think tanks, industry-funded organizations and industry-friendly experts that work to influence public opinion and public policy on behalf of corporations, governments and special interest groups."[3]
Translation....propaganda for sale.....


http://www.populartechnology.net/201...urcewatch.html

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SourceWatch is a propaganda site funded by an extreme left-wing, anti-capitalist and anti-corporate organization, the Center for Media and Democracy. Just like the untrustworthy Wikipedia the content can be written and edited by ordinary web users. Users who all conveniently share an extreme left-wing bias. SourceWatch is frequently cited by those seeking to smear individuals and organizations who do not share their extreme left-wing bias since they cannot find any legitimate criticisms from respected news sources.
More? I really like this one....

http://www.undueinfluence.com/sourcewatch.htm

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Watching SourceWatch: Incorporated by John Stauber onDecember 30, 1993, SourceWatch's parent - the Center for Media and Democracy, Inc. - made its reputation with rants alleging corporate misdeeds in using public relations to manipulate public opinion. The shrill anti-corporate rhetoric attracted powerful left-wing foundations with similar anti-corporate agendas.
Two-dozen foundations then poured millions into into the Center to pay for manipulating public opinion leftward. See the chart below for details.

The Center for Media and Democracy has received at least 70 foundation grants totaling
at least $2,520,994, which makes its plea, "Your financial support, in any amount, is crucial to the continuation of this collaborative website and our innovate work documenting the people and issues behind the news," sound a little silly, unless they're begging big foundations.
Stauber's Center appears to be an employment haven for radicals untroubled by the strings of elite foundation grants, essentially doing on the left what corporations do on the right.
SourceWatch never reveals who they’re taking money from or how much they get.
They also don't tell you that nearly three-fourths of their annual revenue goes into the pockets of their people - salaries, benefits, and payments. This profile remedies that omission.


Dude.....your trolling.....quite while your behind....
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Ok, I've deleted all "troll worthy" posts....

I formulated and hope you all will help update a pros/cons list in post #1 for Round-up ready and 2,4-D Resistant GMOs...

I started this post so I could be slapped in the face for being wrong. And it worked great, hence my deletions. But, my reservations on GMOs have yet to be reversed. Only my individual factoids have been challenged, not the overall picture. So, please do respond to the pros/cons list...
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Bueller? Been so quick with all other responses...

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